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> Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
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> On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:05PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/index.html:
> >
> > Copyright (c)1996,1997,1998 Ian Jackson and Christian Schwarz.
> >
> > Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
> > be updated?
>
> Briefly: yes.
So what should it say? Would an extra line:
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> On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:05PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/index.html:
> >
> > Copyright (c)1996,1997,1998 Ian Jackson and Christian Schwarz.
> >
> > Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
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> Briefly: yes.
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Hi,
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:05PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > > /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/index.html:
> > >
> > > Copyright (c)1996,1997,1998 Ian Jackson and Christian Schwarz.
> > >
> > > Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
> > > be updated?
> >
> > Briefly: yes.
>
> So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> be appropriate?
That looks very nice at first glance. On second thought, I wonder if
"Debian Policy List Members" is an entity that you can legally assign a
copyright to. Will the copyright be enforcable? Does it still make any
sense to have such a copyright notice if not?
Perhaps you should consult debian-legal and maybe debian-policy too.
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Hi,
On Wed, 20 Oct 1999, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:05PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > > /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/index.html:
> > >
> > > Copyright (c)1996,1997,1998 Ian Jackson and Christian Schwarz.
> > >
> > > Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
> > > be updated?
> >
> > Briefly: yes.
>
> So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> be appropriate?
That looks very nice at first glance. On second thought, I wonder if
"Debian Policy List Members" is an entity that you can legally assign a
copyright to. Will the copyright be enforcable? Does it still make any
sense to have such a copyright notice if not?
Perhaps you should consult debian-legal and maybe debian-policy too.
Cheers,
Joost
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Julian Gilbey :
> So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> be appropriate?
I should probably have suggested a correction in my bug report, but
couldn't decide on something while writing it, so I didn't. Now I would
suggest
=09Copyright 1996-1999 Ian Jackson, Christian Schwarz, X, Y, Z
where X, Y, and Z are additional people who have written enough text
included in the policy manual that they can claim a copyright for their
part. That is:
=09- lose the (c) since it is not a valid substitute the copyright
=09 symbol =A9 (it's common, but not really valid; on the other hand,
=09 the word "Copyright" is enough on it's own)
=09
=09- fix the year to include this year (and, for updates made next
=09 year, fix the years to include next year)
=09 =
=09- add people by name, since this is much simpler than assigning
=09 copyrights to an organization and also gives "gift society
=09 credit points" directly to those who deserve them; a mailing
=09 list is not a legal entity and can't own a copyright
-- =
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Julian Gilbey :
> So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> be appropriate?
I should probably have suggested a correction in my bug report, but
couldn't decide on something while writing it, so I didn't. Now I would
suggest
=09Copyright 1996-1999 Ian Jackson, Christian Schwarz, X, Y, Z
where X, Y, and Z are additional people who have written enough text
included in the policy manual that they can claim a copyright for their
part. That is:
=09- lose the (c) since it is not a valid substitute the copyright
=09 symbol =A9 (it's common, but not really valid; on the other hand,
=09 the word "Copyright" is enough on it's own)
=09
=09- fix the year to include this year (and, for updates made next
=09 year, fix the years to include next year)
=09 =
=09- add people by name, since this is much simpler than assigning
=09 copyrights to an organization and also gives "gift society
=09 credit points" directly to those who deserve them; a mailing
=09 list is not a legal entity and can't own a copyright
-- =
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> > So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> > Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> > be appropriate?
>
> That looks very nice at first glance. On second thought, I wonder if
> "Debian Policy List Members" is an entity that you can legally assign a
> copyright to. Will the copyright be enforcable? Does it still make any
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> > be appropriate?
>
> That looks very nice at first glance. On second thought, I wonder if
> "Debian Policy List Members" is an entity that you can legally assign a
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On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 at 22:58, Lars Wirzenius wrote about "Bug#47438:...":
> Copyright 1996-1999 Ian Jackson, Christian Schwarz, X, Y, Z
>
> where X, Y, and Z are additional people who have written enough text
> included in the policy manual that they can claim a copyright for their
> part. That is:
Anybody who has written even the smallest part can claim a copyright for
their part. (And I'm not talking about changing somebody else's text)
> - lose the (c) since it is not a valid substitute the copyright
> symbol © (it's common, but not really valid; on the other hand,
> the word "Copyright" is enough on it's own)
Adding the words "All Rights Reserved." after the whole "Copyright"
statement is important as well.
> - add people by name, since this is much simpler than assigning
> copyrights to an organization and also gives "gift society
> credit points" directly to those who deserve them; a mailing
> list is not a legal entity and can't own a copyright
Agreed, but it might not be possible to add everybody who has actually
contributed to the policy.
And why isn't the legal list included on this discussion? (I just added
it)
In addition, I think this whole thing is a little ridiculous. Either
Debian is free or it is not. Giving a selected few copy rights means they
have control. It should be given, if at all, to Software in the Public
Interest (as somebody already mentioned) in order to protect it being free
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On Wed, 20 Oct 1999 at 22:58, Lars Wirzenius wrote about "Bug#47438:...":
> Copyright 1996-1999 Ian Jackson, Christian Schwarz, X, Y, Z
>
> where X, Y, and Z are additional people who have written enough text
> included in the policy manual that they can claim a copyright for their
> part. That is:
Anybody who has written even the smallest part can claim a copyright for
their part. (And I'm not talking about changing somebody else's text)
> - lose the (c) since it is not a valid substitute the copyright
> symbol © (it's common, but not really valid; on the other hand,
> the word "Copyright" is enough on it's own)
Adding the words "All Rights Reserved." after the whole "Copyright"
statement is important as well.
> - add people by name, since this is much simpler than assigning
> copyrights to an organization and also gives "gift society
> credit points" directly to those who deserve them; a mailing
> list is not a legal entity and can't own a copyright
Agreed, but it might not be possible to add everybody who has actually
contributed to the policy.
And why isn't the legal list included on this discussion? (I just added
it)
In addition, I think this whole thing is a little ridiculous. Either
Debian is free or it is not. Giving a selected few copy rights means they
have control. It should be given, if at all, to Software in the Public
Interest (as somebody already mentioned) in order to protect it being free
-- and nothing more than that.
--
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Brock Rozen writes:
> > - lose the (c) since it is not a valid substitute the copyright
> > symbol © (it's common, but not really valid; on the other hand,
> > the word "Copyright" is enough on it's own)
>
> Adding the words "All Rights Reserved." after the whole "Copyright"
> statement is important as well.
No, nothing is needed. Not even a "Copyright 1999 J. Random Hacker" is
needed. The Berne Convention provides formless copyright and even USA
follows this convention since April 1. 1989.
Read Brad Templeton's Copyright Myths page on:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
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Brock Rozen writes:
> > - lose the (c) since it is not a valid substitute the copyright
> > symbol © (it's common, but not really valid; on the other hand,
> > the word "Copyright" is enough on it's own)
>
> Adding the words "All Rights Reserved." after the whole "Copyright"
> statement is important as well.
No, nothing is needed. Not even a "Copyright 1999 J. Random Hacker" is
needed. The Berne Convention provides formless copyright and even USA
follows this convention since April 1. 1989.
Read Brad Templeton's Copyright Myths page on:
http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
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From: Brock Rozen
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On 21 Oct 1999 at 10:51, Peter Makholm wrote about "Re: Bug#47438:...":
> > Adding the words "All Rights Reserved." after the whole "Copyright"
> > statement is important as well.
>
> No, nothing is needed. Not even a "Copyright 1999 J. Random Hacker" is
> needed. The Berne Convention provides formless copyright and even USA
> follows this convention since April 1. 1989.
That's correct.
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q49 might make much of this
discussion pointless, because I'm not sure how we're going to legally give
many people a copyright even to their section (particularly if they
changed somebody else's wording).
Just handing over the whole thing to a non-profit legal entity might be
the best solution.
> Read Brad Templeton's Copyright Myths page on:
> http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
I liked http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ03.pdf or even better,
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html
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On 21 Oct 1999 at 10:51, Peter Makholm wrote about "Re: Bug#47438:...":
> > Adding the words "All Rights Reserved." after the whole "Copyright"
> > statement is important as well.
>
> No, nothing is needed. Not even a "Copyright 1999 J. Random Hacker" is
> needed. The Berne Convention provides formless copyright and even USA
> follows this convention since April 1. 1989.
That's correct.
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html#q49 might make much of this
discussion pointless, because I'm not sure how we're going to legally give
many people a copyright even to their section (particularly if they
changed somebody else's wording).
Just handing over the whole thing to a non-profit legal entity might be
the best solution.
> Read Brad Templeton's Copyright Myths page on:
> http://www.templetons.com/brad/copymyths.html
I liked http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/circs/circ03.pdf or even better,
http://lcweb.loc.gov/copyright/faq.html
--
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> > On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:05PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > > /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/index.html:
> > >
> > > Copyright (c)1996,1997,1998 Ian Jackson and Christian Schwarz.
> > >
> > > Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
> > > be updated?
> >
> > Briefly: yes.
>
> So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> be appropriate?
Good question.
There is no such legal entity "Debian Policy List Members", so that's out.
Probably the best option would be to indicate copyrights as being jointly
held by each person who's made a contribution. [Just list copyright,
one after another, with each person's name on it.]
Another option would be to grant the copyright to SPI. [If people agreed
to this.]
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From: Raul Miller
To: Julian Gilbey , 47438@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#47438: copyright statement needs updating?
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On Wed, Oct 20, 1999 at 07:04:19PM +0100, Julian Gilbey wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 14, 1999 at 07:20:05PM +0000, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> > > /usr/doc/debian-policy/policy.html/index.html:
> > >
> > > Copyright (c)1996,1997,1998 Ian Jackson and Christian Schwarz.
> > >
> > > Yet the manual has been modified by others since. Should the copyright
> > > be updated?
> >
> > Briefly: yes.
>
> So what should it say? Would an extra line:
> Copyright (c)1998,1999 Debian Policy List Members
> be appropriate?
Good question.
There is no such legal entity "Debian Policy List Members", so that's out.
Probably the best option would be to indicate copyrights as being jointly
held by each person who's made a contribution. [Just list copyright,
one after another, with each person's name on it.]
Another option would be to grant the copyright to SPI. [If people agreed
to this.]
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I wrote:
> Probably the best option would be to indicate copyrights as being jointly
> held by each person who's made a contribution. [Just list copyright,
> one after another, with each person's name on it.]
>
> Another option would be to grant the copyright to SPI. [If people agreed
> to this.]
Please ignore this.
The original copyright holder on the document still holds the copyright
so for the moment it should just be copyright Ian Jackson.
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I wrote:
> Probably the best option would be to indicate copyrights as being jointly
> held by each person who's made a contribution. [Just list copyright,
> one after another, with each person's name on it.]
>
> Another option would be to grant the copyright to SPI. [If people agreed
> to this.]
Please ignore this.
The original copyright holder on the document still holds the copyright
so for the moment it should just be copyright Ian Jackson.
--
Raul
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On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 04:51:17PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> The original copyright holder on the document still holds the copyright
> so for the moment it should just be copyright Ian Jackson.
The original copyright holder does not own the copyright to those parts
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On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 02:11:36AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 04:51:17PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > The original copyright holder on the document still holds the copyright
> > so for the moment it should just be copyright Ian Jackson.
>
> The original copyright holder does not own the copyright to those parts
> of the document he did not write.
He does, however, own the copyright on the document as a whole. Fun, eh?
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On Sun, Oct 24, 1999 at 02:11:36AM +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote:
> On Sat, Oct 23, 1999 at 04:51:17PM -0400, Raul Miller wrote:
> > The original copyright holder on the document still holds the copyright
> > so for the moment it should just be copyright Ian Jackson.
>
> The original copyright holder does not own the copyright to those parts
> of the document he did not write.
He does, however, own the copyright on the document as a whole. Fun, eh?
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On Sat, 23 Oct 1999 at 16:51, Raul Miller wrote about "Bug#47438: copyright...":
> The original copyright holder on the document still holds the copyright
> so for the moment it should just be copyright Ian Jackson.
Although he does not hold copyright on the NEW sections of the document (I
am not talking about sections that have been changed/reworded)
Perhaps requiring all Debian maintainers to agree that policy belongs to
SPI would be the best route of action.
But yes, you still need Ian's approval as the bulk of the policy is his.
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