<strong>Report forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#28335</code>; Package <code>emacs20</code>.


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As Manoj points out.  This should be fixed, and being the maintainer,
I'm allowed to call it a bug whether policy thinks so yet or not :>

Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com> writes:

> Hi,
> >>"Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <GalbraithP@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:
> 
>  Peter> I think there should be a /usr/doc/emacs20/README.Debian what says that
>  Peter> /usr/share/emacs/20.3/lisp/startup.el was modified to load
>  Peter> debian-startup.el at startup.
> 
> 
>     a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
>     stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
> 
> 	So startup.el should contain prominent notices.
> 
> 
>  Peter> Should I file a bug report against emacs20?  This presumably
>  Peter> applies to all favours of Emacs.
> 
> 	If startup.el does not contain such a notice, yes,
>  indeed. Requiring it in the README files to also have this notice
>  should wait for a policy amendment, because as such, that is not a
>  bug. 

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<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Rob Browning &lt;rlb@cs.utexas.edu&gt;</code>:<br>
New bug report received and forwarded.


-t

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As Manoj points out.  This should be fixed, and being the maintainer,
I'm allowed to call it a bug whether policy thinks so yet or not :>

Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com> writes:

> Hi,
> >>"Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <GalbraithP@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:
> 
>  Peter> I think there should be a /usr/doc/emacs20/README.Debian what says that
>  Peter> /usr/share/emacs/20.3/lisp/startup.el was modified to load
>  Peter> debian-startup.el at startup.
> 
> 
>     a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
>     stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
> 
> 	So startup.el should contain prominent notices.
> 
> 
>  Peter> Should I file a bug report against emacs20?  This presumably
>  Peter> applies to all favours of Emacs.
> 
> 	If startup.el does not contain such a notice, yes,
>  indeed. Requiring it in the README files to also have this notice
>  should wait for a policy amendment, because as such, that is not a
>  bug. 

-- 
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/usr/share/doc/emacs21-common/README.debian.gz contains the following

    Emacs runs debian-startup during the startup process unless
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Does this satisfy this bug?


-- System Information:
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-- System Information:
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On 1998-10-21 18:56 +0200, Rob Browning wrote:

> Package: emacs20
> Version: 20.3-4
>
> As Manoj points out.  This should be fixed, and being the maintainer,
> I'm allowed to call it a bug whether policy thinks so yet or not :>
>
> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>> >>"Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <GalbraithP@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:
>> 
>>  Peter> I think there should be a /usr/doc/emacs20/README.Debian what says that
>>  Peter> /usr/share/emacs/20.3/lisp/startup.el was modified to load
>>  Peter> debian-startup.el at startup.
>> 
>> 
>>     a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
>>     stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
>> 
>> 	So startup.el should contain prominent notices.
>> 
>> 
>>  Peter> Should I file a bug report against emacs20?  This presumably
>>  Peter> applies to all favours of Emacs.
>> 
>> 	If startup.el does not contain such a notice, yes,
>>  indeed. Requiring it in the README files to also have this notice
>>  should wait for a policy amendment, because as such, that is not a
>>  bug. 

For the reference, the thread leading to this bug report starts at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/10/msg01607.html.

The overly strict requirement for the notices of changes has been
relaxed in GPL 3, it merely states

    The work must carry prominent notices stating that you modified
    it, and giving a relevant date.

I think we should close this bug after the removal of the emacs21
package, since the less strict requirement of the GPL 3 is clearly
fulfilled in the emacs22 package.  Do you agree, Rob?

Cheers,
       Sven





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On 1998-10-21 18:56 +0200, Rob Browning wrote:

> Package: emacs20
> Version: 20.3-4
>
> As Manoj points out.  This should be fixed, and being the maintainer,
> I'm allowed to call it a bug whether policy thinks so yet or not :>
>
> Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>> >>"Peter" == Peter S Galbraith <GalbraithP@dfo-mpo.gc.ca> writes:
>> 
>>  Peter> I think there should be a /usr/doc/emacs20/README.Debian what says that
>>  Peter> /usr/share/emacs/20.3/lisp/startup.el was modified to load
>>  Peter> debian-startup.el at startup.
>> 
>> 
>>     a) You must cause the modified files to carry prominent notices
>>     stating that you changed the files and the date of any change.
>> 
>> 	So startup.el should contain prominent notices.
>> 
>> 
>>  Peter> Should I file a bug report against emacs20?  This presumably
>>  Peter> applies to all favours of Emacs.
>> 
>> 	If startup.el does not contain such a notice, yes,
>>  indeed. Requiring it in the README files to also have this notice
>>  should wait for a policy amendment, because as such, that is not a
>>  bug. 

For the reference, the thread leading to this bug report starts at
http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/1998/10/msg01607.html.

The overly strict requirement for the notices of changes has been
relaxed in GPL 3, it merely states

    The work must carry prominent notices stating that you modified
    it, and giving a relevant date.

I think we should close this bug after the removal of the emacs21
package, since the less strict requirement of the GPL 3 is clearly
fulfilled in the emacs22 package.  Do you agree, Rob?

Cheers,
       Sven