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Subject: Bug#87733: binutils: as: funky error message (Subtraction of two symbols in different sections)
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Hi

I believe I'm seeing something unexpected from gas:

~/tmp % cat huh.s
.data
x:      .dc.b 0
.text
y:      .dc.b 0

        .dc.l x - y
        .dc.l y - x
~/tmp % as huh.s
huh.s: Assembler messages:
huh.s:7: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different sections ".text" {.text section} - "x" {.data section} at file address 5.
~/tmp %

What bugs me is:
  * there is only one `Error:' line (why would `x - y' be
    allowed if `y - x' is not?)
  * the reading of the error itself is suspicious (I would 
    expect s/".text"/"y"/)
    
-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Kernel Version: Linux phobos 2.4.0-test11 #8 Fri Dec 1 14:23:08 CET 2000 i586 unknown

Versions of the packages binutils depends on:
ii  libc6          2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone




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Subject: binutils: as: funky error message (Subtraction of two symbols in different sections)
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Hi

I believe I'm seeing something unexpected from gas:

~/tmp % cat huh.s
.data
x:      .dc.b 0
.text
y:      .dc.b 0

        .dc.l x - y
        .dc.l y - x
~/tmp % as huh.s
huh.s: Assembler messages:
huh.s:7: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different sections ".text" {.text section} - "x" {.data section} at file address 5.
~/tmp %

What bugs me is:
  * there is only one `Error:' line (why would `x - y' be
    allowed if `y - x' is not?)
  * the reading of the error itself is suspicious (I would 
    expect s/".text"/"y"/)
    
-- System Information
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Kernel Version: Linux phobos 2.4.0-test11 #8 Fri Dec 1 14:23:08 CET 2000 i586 unknown

Versions of the packages binutils depends on:
ii  libc6          2.2.2-1        GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone




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On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

> I believe I'm seeing something unexpected from gas:

Actually, it was a bit odd to see at first, but I checked the gas manual:

*named sections*
*text section*
*data section*
     These sections hold your program.  `as' and `ld' treat them as
     separate but equal sections.  Anything you can say of one section
     is true another.  When the program is running, however, it is
     customary for the text section to be unalterable.  The text
     section is often shared among processes: it contains instructions,
     constants and the like.  The data section of a running program is
     usually alterable: for example, C variables would be stored in the
     data section.
> 
> What bugs me is:
>   * there is only one `Error:' line (why would `x - y' be
>     allowed if `y - x' is not?)

If you're attempting to alter the data segment, then it's ok since the
data segment can be altered, per the manual.  The text segment, however,
is generally not.  You could always try to use the -R option to gas, which
would combine the two sections.

C





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On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

> I believe I'm seeing something unexpected from gas:

Actually, it was a bit odd to see at first, but I checked the gas manual:

*named sections*
*text section*
*data section*
     These sections hold your program.  `as' and `ld' treat them as
     separate but equal sections.  Anything you can say of one section
     is true another.  When the program is running, however, it is
     customary for the text section to be unalterable.  The text
     section is often shared among processes: it contains instructions,
     constants and the like.  The data section of a running program is
     usually alterable: for example, C variables would be stored in the
     data section.
> 
> What bugs me is:
>   * there is only one `Error:' line (why would `x - y' be
>     allowed if `y - x' is not?)

If you're attempting to alter the data segment, then it's ok since the
data segment can be altered, per the manual.  The text segment, however,
is generally not.  You could always try to use the -R option to gas, which
would combine the two sections.

C





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Hi Christopher!

>>> "ccc" == Christopher C Chimelis <chris@debian.org> writes:

 ccc> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

 >> I believe I'm seeing something unexpected from gas:

 ccc> Actually, it was a bit odd to see at first, but I checked the gas manual:

 ccc> *named sections*
 ccc> *text section*
 ccc> *data section*
 ccc> These sections hold your program.  `as' and `ld' treat them as
 ccc> separate but equal sections.  Anything you can say of one section
 ccc> is true another.  When the program is running, however, it is
 ccc> customary for the text section to be unalterable.  The text
 ccc> section is often shared among processes: it contains instructions,
 ccc> constants and the like.  The data section of a running program is
 ccc> usually alterable: for example, C variables would be stored in the
 ccc> data section.

I'm sorry I don't get it.  How is this related to my report?

 >> What bugs me is:
 >> * there is only one `Error:' line (why would `x - y' be
 >> allowed if `y - x' is not?)

 ccc> If you're attempting to alter the data segment, then it's
 ccc> ok since the data segment can be altered, per the manual.
 ccc> The text segment, however, is generally not.

I still don't understand your answer :(.  `altering' happens by
running some instructions at run-time (doesn't it?), but there
is nothing to run here, I'm just doing some constant
declarations.  The quote above clearly says that sections are
all equal as the assembler is concerned (whether they will be
altered or not at run-time is none of the business of gas).
Thus it sounds irrelevant to my report (or I need to sleep).

What huh.s does is trying to compute (at compile time) the
distance between two labels in different sections.  This is
wrong, I understand that.  What I don't understand is why gas
reports only one of the two errors.

[...]

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Hi Christopher!

>>> "ccc" == Christopher C Chimelis <chris@debian.org> writes:

 ccc> On Mon, 26 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

 >> I believe I'm seeing something unexpected from gas:

 ccc> Actually, it was a bit odd to see at first, but I checked the gas manual:

 ccc> *named sections*
 ccc> *text section*
 ccc> *data section*
 ccc> These sections hold your program.  `as' and `ld' treat them as
 ccc> separate but equal sections.  Anything you can say of one section
 ccc> is true another.  When the program is running, however, it is
 ccc> customary for the text section to be unalterable.  The text
 ccc> section is often shared among processes: it contains instructions,
 ccc> constants and the like.  The data section of a running program is
 ccc> usually alterable: for example, C variables would be stored in the
 ccc> data section.

I'm sorry I don't get it.  How is this related to my report?

 >> What bugs me is:
 >> * there is only one `Error:' line (why would `x - y' be
 >> allowed if `y - x' is not?)

 ccc> If you're attempting to alter the data segment, then it's
 ccc> ok since the data segment can be altered, per the manual.
 ccc> The text segment, however, is generally not.

I still don't understand your answer :(.  `altering' happens by
running some instructions at run-time (doesn't it?), but there
is nothing to run here, I'm just doing some constant
declarations.  The quote above clearly says that sections are
all equal as the assembler is concerned (whether they will be
altered or not at run-time is none of the business of gas).
Thus it sounds irrelevant to my report (or I need to sleep).

What huh.s does is trying to compute (at compile time) the
distance between two labels in different sections.  This is
wrong, I understand that.  What I don't understand is why gas
reports only one of the two errors.

[...]

-- 
Alexandre Duret-Lutz




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On 27 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

> I still don't understand your answer :(.  `altering' happens by
> running some instructions at run-time (doesn't it?), but there
> is nothing to run here, I'm just doing some constant
> declarations.

I'm not sure what arch this is written for (I know Alpha and some MIPS
assembly and my Intel assembly knowledge is too rusty to be of use to me),
but it appears that you're declaring variables rather than constants,
which makes a big difference.  If they are constants, and are literally
translated to their constant value at assembly time, then yes, the
behaviour that you expect would be correct and gas would be
wrong.  However, if they are variables and are treated as such by gas,
then gas is acting appropriately by saying that any variable stored in the
text segment cannot be altered in such a way.

>  The quote above clearly says that sections are
> all equal as the assembler is concerned (whether they will be
> altered or not at run-time is none of the business of gas).
> Thus it sounds irrelevant to my report (or I need to sleep).

You're correct on the fact that gas shouldn't care (technically) since
the linker is responsible for any such segment allocations.  I'll look
more into that...I could just be in need of sleep rather than you :-)

> What huh.s does is trying to compute (at compile time) the
> distance between two labels in different sections.  This is
> wrong, I understand that.  What I don't understand is why gas
> reports only one of the two errors.

I believe it's because the distance computed in the second case (the
error-generating case) is being stored at an address in the text segment,
which gas thinks is A Bad Thing.  I'll check more into this and write a
few code snippets to test this on Alpha as well.

I'm not closing this yet, so don't think I'm trying to get rid of you
:-)  I was just making a point to quote what the manual said first before
preceding.  I'm also trying to tackle a very ugly demangler problem on
Alpha, hence the delay in really getting this resolved more immediately.

C





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Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>chris@debian.org (Christopher C. Chimelis)</code>.


-t

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On 27 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

> I still don't understand your answer :(.  `altering' happens by
> running some instructions at run-time (doesn't it?), but there
> is nothing to run here, I'm just doing some constant
> declarations.

I'm not sure what arch this is written for (I know Alpha and some MIPS
assembly and my Intel assembly knowledge is too rusty to be of use to me),
but it appears that you're declaring variables rather than constants,
which makes a big difference.  If they are constants, and are literally
translated to their constant value at assembly time, then yes, the
behaviour that you expect would be correct and gas would be
wrong.  However, if they are variables and are treated as such by gas,
then gas is acting appropriately by saying that any variable stored in the
text segment cannot be altered in such a way.

>  The quote above clearly says that sections are
> all equal as the assembler is concerned (whether they will be
> altered or not at run-time is none of the business of gas).
> Thus it sounds irrelevant to my report (or I need to sleep).

You're correct on the fact that gas shouldn't care (technically) since
the linker is responsible for any such segment allocations.  I'll look
more into that...I could just be in need of sleep rather than you :-)

> What huh.s does is trying to compute (at compile time) the
> distance between two labels in different sections.  This is
> wrong, I understand that.  What I don't understand is why gas
> reports only one of the two errors.

I believe it's because the distance computed in the second case (the
error-generating case) is being stored at an address in the text segment,
which gas thinks is A Bad Thing.  I'll check more into this and write a
few code snippets to test this on Alpha as well.

I'm not closing this yet, so don't think I'm trying to get rid of you
:-)  I was just making a point to quote what the manual said first before
preceding.  I'm also trying to tackle a very ugly demangler problem on
Alpha, hence the delay in really getting this resolved more immediately.

C





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Subject: Bug#87733: binutils: as: funky error message (Subtraction of two symbols in different sections)
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>>> "ccc" == Christopher C Chimelis <chris@debian.org> writes:

 ccc> On 27 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

[...]

 ccc> I'm not sure what arch this is written for

I use i386.  But since the snippet I sent uses only pseudo ops
I guess it should be portable.  Here is a new test case whith
the result for i386 and m68k:

~/tmp % cat -n huh.s
     1  .data
     2  x:      .dc.b 0
     3  .text
     4  y:      .dc.b 0
     5  
     6          .dc.l x - y
     7          .dc.l y - x
     8          .dc.l - (x - y)
     9          .dc.l - x + y
~/tmp % as huh.s
huh.s: Assembler messages:
huh.s:7: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different sections ".text" {.text section} - "x" {.data section} at file address 5.
huh.s:8: Error: invalid section for operation
~/tmp % m68k-palmos-as huh.s
huh.s: Assembler messages:
huh.s:7: Error: Can't emit reloc {- e1-seg symbol "x"} @ file address 5.
huh.s:8: Error: invalid section for operation
~/tmp %

Both complains on line 7 and 8, althought I would expected the
assembler to complain on lines 6, 7, 8 and 9.

[...]

 ccc> but it appears that you're declaring variables rather than constants,
 ccc> which makes a big difference.  If they are constants, and are literally
 ccc> translated to their constant value at assembly time, then yes, the
 ccc> behaviour that you expect would be correct and gas would be
 ccc> wrong.  However, if they are variables and are treated as such by gas,

Are you telling me that ligne 7 declares a *variable* (that's why
gas complains), and ligne 6 declares a *constant*?  :o)

 ccc> then gas is acting appropriately by saying that any
 ccc> variable stored in the text segment cannot be altered in
 ccc> such a way.

I thought we agreed on the fact that gas doesn't know which
segment can be altered or not.  It can't know that, I can decide
at run time to call mprotect() and make my .text segment
writable if I need it, it's none of the business of gas.

[...]

 ccc> I believe it's because the distance computed in the second case (the
 ccc> error-generating case) is being stored at an address in the text segment,
 ccc> which gas thinks is A Bad Thing.

No, a distance between two adresses is an absolute value, not
another adresse.

[...]

 ccc> I'm not closing this yet, so don't think I'm trying to get rid of you
 ccc> :-)  I was just making a point to quote what the manual said first before
 ccc> preceding. 

BTW I think I've got the relevant part of the manual:

    `+' 
          "Addition".  If either argument is absolute, the
          result has the section of the other argument.  You may
          not add together arguments from different sections.

    `-'
          "Subtraction".  If the right argument is absolute, the
          result has the section of the left argument.  If both
          arguments are in the same section, the result is
          absolute.  You may not subtract arguments from
          different sections.

According to this, I'm not allowed to write `x - y' or `y - x'
since x and y are in different sections.  Thus I beleive gas is
right when it complains about the second case, but is expected
to complain about the first case too.

 ccc> I'm also trying to tackle a very ugly demangler problem on
 ccc> Alpha, hence the delay in really getting this resolved
 ccc> more immediately.

No problem, and good luck.  This issue is really not important
at all, it just a `you don't detect all errors'-problem, and a
cosmetic issue (remember the s/".text"/"y").

Thanks,
-- 
Alexandre Duret-Lutz




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Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>chris@debian.org (Christopher C. Chimelis)</code>.


-t

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>>> "ccc" == Christopher C Chimelis <chris@debian.org> writes:

 ccc> On 27 Feb 2001, Alexandre Duret-Lutz wrote:

[...]

 ccc> I'm not sure what arch this is written for

I use i386.  But since the snippet I sent uses only pseudo ops
I guess it should be portable.  Here is a new test case whith
the result for i386 and m68k:

~/tmp % cat -n huh.s
     1  .data
     2  x:      .dc.b 0
     3  .text
     4  y:      .dc.b 0
     5  
     6          .dc.l x - y
     7          .dc.l y - x
     8          .dc.l - (x - y)
     9          .dc.l - x + y
~/tmp % as huh.s
huh.s: Assembler messages:
huh.s:7: Error: Subtraction of two symbols in different sections ".text" {.text section} - "x" {.data section} at file address 5.
huh.s:8: Error: invalid section for operation
~/tmp % m68k-palmos-as huh.s
huh.s: Assembler messages:
huh.s:7: Error: Can't emit reloc {- e1-seg symbol "x"} @ file address 5.
huh.s:8: Error: invalid section for operation
~/tmp %

Both complains on line 7 and 8, althought I would expected the
assembler to complain on lines 6, 7, 8 and 9.

[...]

 ccc> but it appears that you're declaring variables rather than constants,
 ccc> which makes a big difference.  If they are constants, and are literally
 ccc> translated to their constant value at assembly time, then yes, the
 ccc> behaviour that you expect would be correct and gas would be
 ccc> wrong.  However, if they are variables and are treated as such by gas,

Are you telling me that ligne 7 declares a *variable* (that's why
gas complains), and ligne 6 declares a *constant*?  :o)

 ccc> then gas is acting appropriately by saying that any
 ccc> variable stored in the text segment cannot be altered in
 ccc> such a way.

I thought we agreed on the fact that gas doesn't know which
segment can be altered or not.  It can't know that, I can decide
at run time to call mprotect() and make my .text segment
writable if I need it, it's none of the business of gas.

[...]

 ccc> I believe it's because the distance computed in the second case (the
 ccc> error-generating case) is being stored at an address in the text segment,
 ccc> which gas thinks is A Bad Thing.

No, a distance between two adresses is an absolute value, not
another adresse.

[...]

 ccc> I'm not closing this yet, so don't think I'm trying to get rid of you
 ccc> :-)  I was just making a point to quote what the manual said first before
 ccc> preceding. 

BTW I think I've got the relevant part of the manual:

    `+' 
          "Addition".  If either argument is absolute, the
          result has the section of the other argument.  You may
          not add together arguments from different sections.

    `-'
          "Subtraction".  If the right argument is absolute, the
          result has the section of the left argument.  If both
          arguments are in the same section, the result is
          absolute.  You may not subtract arguments from
          different sections.

According to this, I'm not allowed to write `x - y' or `y - x'
since x and y are in different sections.  Thus I beleive gas is
right when it complains about the second case, but is expected
to complain about the first case too.

 ccc> I'm also trying to tackle a very ugly demangler problem on
 ccc> Alpha, hence the delay in really getting this resolved
 ccc> more immediately.

No problem, and good luck.  This issue is really not important
at all, it just a `you don't detect all errors'-problem, and a
cosmetic issue (remember the s/".text"/"y").

Thanks,
-- 
Alexandre Duret-Lutz




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<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>&quot;Albert Avila&quot; &lt;dutamglbuuah@bobcatbicycles.com&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


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