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Bug#116932; Package links.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgPeter Gervai
Subject: Bug#116932: links browser doesn't work with dumb terminals
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When I try to use links at a Wyse 60 terminal, I see all the escape
sequences on the screen. They must be escapes sequences for either
vt100 or linux terminals. My WYSE 60 terminal works fine with lynx.
Then on my other terminal (almost a vt100) lynx will work only if I
set the terminal to no parity and 8-bits/char. But I have it set by
default to odd-parity and 7-bits/char and this works fine with lynx,
etc. Stty shows the same. Then when I start links, it changes the
"stty" settings to no-parity and 8-bits/char. Since the terminal
itself (done by the "set-up" key on the terminals) is still set to
parity and 7-bits/char, I get mostly error characters on the screen.
Links claims to use ncurses which should make it work OK on dumb
terminals. But it doesn't.
David Lawyer
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Package: links
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When I try to use links at a Wyse 60 terminal, I see all the escape
sequences on the screen. They must be escapes sequences for either
vt100 or linux terminals. My WYSE 60 terminal works fine with lynx.
Then on my other terminal (almost a vt100) lynx will work only if I
set the terminal to no parity and 8-bits/char. But I have it set by
default to odd-parity and 7-bits/char and this works fine with lynx,
etc. Stty shows the same. Then when I start links, it changes the
"stty" settings to no-parity and 8-bits/char. Since the terminal
itself (done by the "set-up" key on the terminals) is still set to
parity and 7-bits/char, I get mostly error characters on the screen.
Links claims to use ncurses which should make it work OK on dumb
terminals. But it doesn't.
David Lawyer
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links does not work on dumb terminals. it probably never will, as
its principal design based on full screen random access visuality.
links is not lynx, so when lynx works on a terminal it does not
mean links will do as well. if lynx does work for you, you shall
use it.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:22:31AM -0700, David Lawyer wrote:
> Links claims to use ncurses which should make it work OK on dumb
> terminals. But it doesn't.
Please tell me where does it say that it is/uses ncurses. Every mentioning
"ncurses" is a bug to be fixed.
Thanks,
Peter
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links does not work on dumb terminals. it probably never will, as
its principal design based on full screen random access visuality.
links is not lynx, so when lynx works on a terminal it does not
mean links will do as well. if lynx does work for you, you shall
use it.
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> Links claims to use ncurses which should make it work OK on dumb
> terminals. But it doesn't.
Please tell me where does it say that it is/uses ncurses. Every mentioning
"ncurses" is a bug to be fixed.
Thanks,
Peter
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links does not work on dumb terminals. it probably never will, as
its principal design based on full screen random access visuality.
links is not lynx, so when lynx works on a terminal it does not
mean links will do as well. if lynx does work for you, you shall
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On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:22:31AM -0700, David Lawyer wrote:
> Links claims to use ncurses which should make it work OK on dumb
> terminals. But it doesn't.
Please tell me where does it say that it is/uses ncurses. Every mentioning
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Thanks,
Peter
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links does not work on dumb terminals. it probably never will, as
its principal design based on full screen random access visuality.
links is not lynx, so when lynx works on a terminal it does not
mean links will do as well. if lynx does work for you, you shall
use it.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2001 at 11:22:31AM -0700, David Lawyer wrote:
> Links claims to use ncurses which should make it work OK on dumb
> terminals. But it doesn't.
Please tell me where does it say that it is/uses ncurses. Every mentioning
"ncurses" is a bug to be fixed.
Thanks,
Peter
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links' manpage (and several webpages) claim that it uses ncurses.
As a matter of fact, I pointed this out to the person who claimed
to have written the manpage, over a year ago, and he didn't want
to change it. It's also been noted in at least one Debian bug report
w/o effect.
Debian Bug report logs - #116932
> links browser doesn't work with dumb terminals
>
> Package: links; ;Reported by: David Lawyer ; dated Wed,
> 24 Oct 2001 18:33:01 UTC; Maintainer for links is Peter Gervai
> .
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links' manpage (and several webpages) claim that it uses ncurses.
As a matter of fact, I pointed this out to the person who claimed
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>
> Package: links; ;Reported by: David Lawyer ; dated Wed,
> 24 Oct 2001 18:33:01 UTC; Maintainer for links is Peter Gervai
> .
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are you aware that this comment is complete nonsense?
("dumb" terminals, for more than twenty years, have generally meant
cursor-addressable video terminals - you'd have to go into the 70's
to get a different meaning, i.e., hardcopy terminals)
>links does not work on dumb terminals. it probably never will, as
>its principal design based on full screen random access visuality.
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are you aware that this comment is complete nonsense?
("dumb" terminals, for more than twenty years, have generally meant
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>links does not work on dumb terminals. it probably never will, as
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Bug#116932; Package links.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgPeter Gervai
Subject: Bug#116932: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=116932
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:46:36PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> are you aware that this comment is complete nonsense?
>
> ("dumb" terminals, for more than twenty years, have generally meant
> cursor-addressable video terminals - you'd have to go into the 70's
> to get a different meaning, i.e., hardcopy terminals)
thanks for the comment.
you are welcome to send a patch to fix the problem.
the upstream does not intend to, similar requests
have been sent to /dev/null in the last year.
Acknowledgement sent to grin@tolna.net:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Peter Gervai <grin@tolna.net>.
-t
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To: Thomas Dickey , 116932@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#116932: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=116932
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On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:46:36PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
> are you aware that this comment is complete nonsense?
>
> ("dumb" terminals, for more than twenty years, have generally meant
> cursor-addressable video terminals - you'd have to go into the 70's
> to get a different meaning, i.e., hardcopy terminals)
thanks for the comment.
you are welcome to send a patch to fix the problem.
the upstream does not intend to, similar requests
have been sent to /dev/null in the last year.
Severity set to `wishlist'.
Request was from Peter Gervai <grin@tolna.net>
to control@bugs.debian.org.
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From: Peter Gervai
To: Thomas Dickey , control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#116932: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=116932
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severity #116932 wishlist
tags #116932 +wontfix +upstream
thanks
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:43:45PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
["ncurses"]
> links' manpage
what version did you examine?
grin@sanctuary:~$ zegrep -i curses /usr/share/man/man1/links.1.gz
grin@sanctuary:~$
(links-ssl Version: 0.96-1)
> (and several webpages) claim that it uses ncurses.
You don't expect me to fix those, do you?
Hey, I am the debian package maintaner, and not the saviour of the
world!
Report bugs in the package only, the bugs in the World(tm) shall
be sent to god or satan or whomever responsible.
Thanks.
> As a matter of fact, I pointed this out to the person who claimed
> to have written the manpage,
as far as I know I happen to be the person who fixed, updated
the manpage and committed any changes into it in the last year...
> over a year ago, and he didn't want to change it.
Interesting story.
> It's also been noted in at least one Debian bug report
> w/o effect.
>
> Debian Bug report logs - #116932
> > links browser doesn't work with dumb terminals
> >
> > Package: links; ;Reported by: David Lawyer ; dated Wed,
> > 24 Oct 2001 18:33:01 UTC; Maintainer for links is Peter Gervai
> >
This is the same bug you are bugging me about.
If you check it in 5 minutes, it'll be marked properly as well
(tag +wontfix, severity wishlist).
Again, you are welcome to submit a patch, and I'll happily test
and include it. (But I doubt dumb terminal users are the main
target of the browser anyway.)
regards.
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severity #116932 wishlist
tags #116932 +wontfix +upstream
thanks
On Thu, Oct 25, 2001 at 08:43:45PM -0400, Thomas Dickey wrote:
["ncurses"]
> links' manpage
what version did you examine?
grin@sanctuary:~$ zegrep -i curses /usr/share/man/man1/links.1.gz
grin@sanctuary:~$
(links-ssl Version: 0.96-1)
> (and several webpages) claim that it uses ncurses.
You don't expect me to fix those, do you?
Hey, I am the debian package maintaner, and not the saviour of the
world!
Report bugs in the package only, the bugs in the World(tm) shall
be sent to god or satan or whomever responsible.
Thanks.
> As a matter of fact, I pointed this out to the person who claimed
> to have written the manpage,
as far as I know I happen to be the person who fixed, updated
the manpage and committed any changes into it in the last year...
> over a year ago, and he didn't want to change it.
Interesting story.
> It's also been noted in at least one Debian bug report
> w/o effect.
>
> Debian Bug report logs - #116932
> > links browser doesn't work with dumb terminals
> >
> > Package: links; ;Reported by: David Lawyer ; dated Wed,
> > 24 Oct 2001 18:33:01 UTC; Maintainer for links is Peter Gervai
> >
This is the same bug you are bugging me about.
If you check it in 5 minutes, it'll be marked properly as well
(tag +wontfix, severity wishlist).
Again, you are welcome to submit a patch, and I'll happily test
and include it. (But I doubt dumb terminal users are the main
target of the browser anyway.)
regards.
Noted your statement that Bug has been forwarded to links-list@linuxfromscratch.org.
Request was from Peter Gervai <grin@tolna.net>
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Subject: big list of bugs (re)submitted upstream
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forwarded #127316 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #127753 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #127874 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #127319 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #120018 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #116932 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #113592 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #115360 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #101650 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
forwarded #81077 links-list@linuxfromscratch.org
thanks
For a long time the author seem to be alive again,
I'm submitting (again) the buglist to the list, and
hope the best. :-(