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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSoenke Lange <soenke@escher.north.de>

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Package: smail
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You should add a conffile in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d which can be
used for PPP users to flush the mail queue when the link comes
up.  Here's an example shell script:

#!/bin/sh

[ -x /usr/bin/runq ] && /usr/bin/runq


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-t

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You should add a conffile in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d which can be
used for PPP users to flush the mail queue when the link comes
up.  Here's an example shell script:

#!/bin/sh

[ -x /usr/bin/runq ] && /usr/bin/runq


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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSoenke Lange <soenke@escher.north.de>

Subject: Bug#19130: Bug#19129: sendmail: support PPP links --- use /etc/ppp/ip-up.d
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>>"aph" == aph  <aph@debian.org> writes:

aph> Package: sendmail Version: N/A

aph> You ought to have a little shell script in
aph> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/sendmail, make that a conffile.  This script
aph> could flush the queue when the link comes up.  Here's an example:

>> !/bin/sh

aph> [ -x /usr/sbin/sendmail ] && /usr/sbin/sendmail -q
aph> [ -x /usr/sbin/ndc ] && /usr/sbin/ndc reload

	Umm, no. No way. I have all these programs, and no way in heck
 to I want weird stuff like this going off automatically. Please
 discuss stuff like this in debian-policy before firing off mass bugs.

	This is not policy, and for good reason: the ip-up.d idea does
 not seem to have been thought through. 

	Just because I have bind does not mean I want things to be
 uploaded, or if I have sendmail that I want a queue run when
 the connection comes up,

	If the directory and scripts make things easier for people,
 Fine. But there should be a means of turning thisng on and off
 easily. There is no easy way, short of hacking or removing the
 scripts to suddenly  have junk happening when I do not wish it to.

	I suggest that there be a File in /etc/ppp/IP-config or
 something. Then have all scripts in ip-{up,down}.d/ look for
 ^sendmail.*UP=YES and ^sendmail.*DOWN=YES to run things in the respective
 states.

	I am considering filing important Bugs against packages that
 make my life harder by suddenly doing things at IP-up and
 down, which I did not authorize.

	I run diald. I have IP disconnect on 30 seconds of idle
 time. Any time I need the connection it comes up. I do NOT appreciate
 excessive junk happening then.
	
	The default should be OFF.

	Unless there is configuration like this provided, or *VERY*
 convincing arguments are offered in debian-policy, important bugs
 shall be filed for packages that start this behaviour every time my
 IP connection goes up (several times every hour)

	manoj
-- 
 "Rebellion is like witchcraft. That's what it is, it's like
 witchcraft." Missouri State Rep. Jean Dixon, on labeling "offensive
 music".  USA Today, March 20, 1990
Manoj Srivastava  <srivasta@acm.org> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/>
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-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Ian Jackson)
To: Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com>
Subject: Bug#19130: Info received (was Bug#19129: sendmail: support PPP links --- use /etc/ppp/ip-up.d)
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>>"aph" == aph  <aph@debian.org> writes:

aph> Package: sendmail Version: N/A

aph> You ought to have a little shell script in
aph> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/sendmail, make that a conffile.  This script
aph> could flush the queue when the link comes up.  Here's an example:

>> !/bin/sh

aph> [ -x /usr/sbin/sendmail ] && /usr/sbin/sendmail -q
aph> [ -x /usr/sbin/ndc ] && /usr/sbin/ndc reload

	Umm, no. No way. I have all these programs, and no way in heck
 to I want weird stuff like this going off automatically. Please
 discuss stuff like this in debian-policy before firing off mass bugs.

	This is not policy, and for good reason: the ip-up.d idea does
 not seem to have been thought through. 

	Just because I have bind does not mean I want things to be
 uploaded, or if I have sendmail that I want a queue run when
 the connection comes up,

	If the directory and scripts make things easier for people,
 Fine. But there should be a means of turning thisng on and off
 easily. There is no easy way, short of hacking or removing the
 scripts to suddenly  have junk happening when I do not wish it to.

	I suggest that there be a File in /etc/ppp/IP-config or
 something. Then have all scripts in ip-{up,down}.d/ look for
 ^sendmail.*UP=YES and ^sendmail.*DOWN=YES to run things in the respective
 states.

	I am considering filing important Bugs against packages that
 make my life harder by suddenly doing things at IP-up and
 down, which I did not authorize.

	I run diald. I have IP disconnect on 30 seconds of idle
 time. Any time I need the connection it comes up. I do NOT appreciate
 excessive junk happening then.
	
	The default should be OFF.

	Unless there is configuration like this provided, or *VERY*
 convincing arguments are offered in debian-policy, important bugs
 shall be filed for packages that start this behaviour every time my
 IP connection goes up (several times every hour)

	manoj
-- 
 "Rebellion is like witchcraft. That's what it is, it's like
 witchcraft." Missouri State Rep. Jean Dixon, on labeling "offensive
 music".  USA Today, March 20, 1990
Manoj Srivastava  <srivasta@acm.org> <http://www.datasync.com/%7Esrivasta/>
Key C7261095 fingerprint = CB D9 F4 12 68 07 E4 05  CC 2D 27 12 1D F5 E8 6E



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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSoenke Lange <soenke@escher.north.de>

Subject: Bug#19130: Bug#19129: sendmail: support PPP links --- use /etc/ppp/ip-up.d 
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"Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com> writes:
>>> "aph" == aph <aph@debian.org> writes:
aph> Package: sendmail Version: N/A

aph> You ought to have a little shell script in
aph> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/sendmail, make that a conffile.  This script
aph> could flush the queue when the link comes up.  Here's an example:

aph> [ -x /usr/sbin/sendmail ] && /usr/sbin/sendmail -q
[... etc...]

> 	Umm, no. No way. I have all these programs, and no way in heck
> to I want weird stuff like this going off automatically. Please
> discuss stuff like this in debian-policy before firing off mass
> bugs.

"Mass bugs"?  I hardly think < 6 bug reports, individually worded, and
you must admit decent thought out, constitutes a "mass bug mailing".
Furthermore, all the ones I filed were wishlist level, not even a bug.

Let's not sink into hysteria, here, Manoj.

> 	This is not policy, and for good reason: the ip-up.d idea does
> not seem to have been thought through.

Your opinion; not the opinion of the great mass of people on
debian-devel, the exim maintainer, the ppp maintainer, the fetchmail
maintainer, and myself.  If you disagree with the concept of
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d, then I suggest you review the January conversations
on debian-devel (which was unanimously approving, if you'll please
note, Manoj), think it over, and maybe submit a bug against ppp or a
followup to debian-devel?

> 	Just because I have bind does not mean I want things to be
> uploaded, or if I have sendmail that I want a queue run when the
> connection comes up,

Alright, I'll admit the wishlist against bind could stand some more
thinking about than I probably gave it.  The bind wish is debatable.

As for the MTA, why on earth would you *not* want the MTA to fire off
the mail queue when the link comes up?  (And MTAs were the majority of
the targets for my wishes here).  I'm sitting here scratching my head
and wonding why you wouldn't want outbound mail to in fact get a kick
in the butt and go out when the link comes up, and say I have multiple
links, what's the big bother?

> 	If the directory and scripts make things easier for people,
> Fine. But there should be a means of turning thisng on and off
> easily.

Yuh!  That's why I suggested they be conffiles!  And hey, they're
even under /etc. ;)

> There is no easy way, short of hacking or removing the
> scripts to suddenly have junk happening when I do not wish it to.

Oh come on --- *conffile*

> 	I suggest that there be a File in /etc/ppp/IP-config or
> something. Then have all scripts in ip-{up,down}.d/ look for
> ^sendmail.*UP=YES and ^sendmail.*DOWN=YES to run things in the
> respective states.

Blah, blech.  We don't have that for cron, we don't have it for
init.d.  What the heck is wrong with chmod a-x <file>?

> 	I am considering filing important Bugs against packages that
> make my life harder by suddenly doing things at IP-up and down,
> which I did not authorize.

I agree that the one against bind may well be either close or shipped
by default off (i.e., mode 644 rather than 755).

[rest of Manoj's message clipped]

.....A. P. Harris...apharris@onShore.com...<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>



<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>&quot;Adam P. Harris&quot; &lt;apharris@onshore.com&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Soenke Lange &lt;soenke@escher.north.de&gt;</code>.


-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Ian Jackson)
To: "Adam P. Harris" <apharris@onshore.com>
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"Manoj" == Manoj Srivastava <srivasta@datasync.com> writes:
>>> "aph" == aph <aph@debian.org> writes:
aph> Package: sendmail Version: N/A

aph> You ought to have a little shell script in
aph> /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/sendmail, make that a conffile.  This script
aph> could flush the queue when the link comes up.  Here's an example:

aph> [ -x /usr/sbin/sendmail ] && /usr/sbin/sendmail -q
[... etc...]

> 	Umm, no. No way. I have all these programs, and no way in heck
> to I want weird stuff like this going off automatically. Please
> discuss stuff like this in debian-policy before firing off mass
> bugs.

"Mass bugs"?  I hardly think < 6 bug reports, individually worded, and
you must admit decent thought out, constitutes a "mass bug mailing".
Furthermore, all the ones I filed were wishlist level, not even a bug.

Let's not sink into hysteria, here, Manoj.

> 	This is not policy, and for good reason: the ip-up.d idea does
> not seem to have been thought through.

Your opinion; not the opinion of the great mass of people on
debian-devel, the exim maintainer, the ppp maintainer, the fetchmail
maintainer, and myself.  If you disagree with the concept of
/etc/ppp/ip-up.d, then I suggest you review the January conversations
on debian-devel (which was unanimously approving, if you'll please
note, Manoj), think it over, and maybe submit a bug against ppp or a
followup to debian-devel?

> 	Just because I have bind does not mean I want things to be
> uploaded, or if I have sendmail that I want a queue run when the
> connection comes up,

Alright, I'll admit the wishlist against bind could stand some more
thinking about than I probably gave it.  The bind wish is debatable.

As for the MTA, why on earth would you *not* want the MTA to fire off
the mail queue when the link comes up?  (And MTAs were the majority of
the targets for my wishes here).  I'm sitting here scratching my head
and wonding why you wouldn't want outbound mail to in fact get a kick
in the butt and go out when the link comes up, and say I have multiple
links, what's the big bother?

> 	If the directory and scripts make things easier for people,
> Fine. But there should be a means of turning thisng on and off
> easily.

Yuh!  That's why I suggested they be conffiles!  And hey, they're
even under /etc. ;)

> There is no easy way, short of hacking or removing the
> scripts to suddenly have junk happening when I do not wish it to.

Oh come on --- *conffile*

> 	I suggest that there be a File in /etc/ppp/IP-config or
> something. Then have all scripts in ip-{up,down}.d/ look for
> ^sendmail.*UP=YES and ^sendmail.*DOWN=YES to run things in the
> respective states.

Blah, blech.  We don't have that for cron, we don't have it for
init.d.  What the heck is wrong with chmod a-x <file>?

> 	I am considering filing important Bugs against packages that
> make my life harder by suddenly doing things at IP-up and down,
> which I did not authorize.

I agree that the one against bind may well be either close or shipped
by default off (i.e., mode 644 rather than 755).

[rest of Manoj's message clipped]

.....A. P. Harris...apharris@onShore.com...<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>



<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Soenke Lange &lt;soenke@escher.north.de&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#19130</code>; Package <code>smail</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSoenke Lange <soenke@escher.north.de>

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From: Philip Hands <phil@hands.com>

Hi,

I'd just like to make my position (as ppp maintainer) clear on this ip-up/down 
issue (I've been off skiing for a week, so have not been able to get involved 
before this).

People seem to be drawing a couple of false conclusions from the fact that I 
changed the ip-up/down scripts to use run-parts:

 a)  I made some sort of unilateral policy decision about how ip-up/down
     scripts should work.

 b)  I was sanctioning all and sundry to include ip-(up|down).d/ scripts in
     their packages, so that every time the ppp link came up all hell would
     break loose.

I don't consider either of these to be the true.

As in ppp shipped the ip-up/down scripts do nothing.  This was the case before 
the inclusion the run-parts line, and it still is.  The intent (as it always 
was) is that the script was provided as a hint for a local sysadmin to aid 
them in setting up their ppp connection.

I doubt very much if there is a single package that could justify having 
anything run by ip-up/down by default, without at least asking the user in the 
postinst if that was what they required.  Any package that does install such a 
script is almost certainly a bug IMHO.

I for one have a diald setup that includes over twenty dial-on-demand links, 
only on of which is to my ISP.  I certainly don't want to kick my MTA each 
time I dial into one of my clients, because it would make diald go nuts, and I 
cannot see the point of doing bind reloads either (although I don't suppose it 
would do any harm).

If people think they have a package that needs something to be run by ppp's 
ip-up/down they should either put something about it in their packages README, 
or include an example script under /usr/doc, or perhaps prompt the user about 
it in their packages postinst.  This was the case before I included the 
run-parts line, and I don't see how I've changed that.

I'm not particularly convinced by the /etc/ppp/ip.conf idea.  It's fine for 
simple setups, but if you are going to have to hack scripts to conditionally 
start depending upon which ppp link just came up, then the simple ON/OFF 
switch is pretty worthless.

I would be much happier if packages provided example scripts that the sysadmin 
could either just copy into place, or edit to suit their needs.  I suppose 
they can always suggest installing a script in the postinst, if the package 
maintainer thinks it would be useful for the vast majority of users.

It would be nice if we could make it so that a new linux user could get an 
Internet connection up after a few minutes of point-and-drool, without making 
life hard for the people that have weird and wonderful setups (like Manoj and 
me).

Perhaps we need a configuration file /etc/userlevel, which contains something 
ranging from ``neophyte'' to ``guru'', so postinst's can decide what to ask 
the user. ;-)

Cheers, Phil.





<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Philip Hands &lt;phil@hands.com&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Soenke Lange &lt;soenke@escher.north.de&gt;</code>.


-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Ian Jackson)
To: Philip Hands <phil@hands.com>
Subject: Bug#19130: Info received (was Bug#19129: sendmail: support PPP links --- use /etc/ppp/ip-up.d )
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Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):
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Hi,

I'd just like to make my position (as ppp maintainer) clear on this ip-up/down 
issue (I've been off skiing for a week, so have not been able to get involved 
before this).

People seem to be drawing a couple of false conclusions from the fact that I 
changed the ip-up/down scripts to use run-parts:

 a)  I made some sort of unilateral policy decision about how ip-up/down
     scripts should work.

 b)  I was sanctioning all and sundry to include ip-(up|down).d/ scripts in
     their packages, so that every time the ppp link came up all hell would
     break loose.

I don't consider either of these to be the true.

As in ppp shipped the ip-up/down scripts do nothing.  This was the case before 
the inclusion the run-parts line, and it still is.  The intent (as it always 
was) is that the script was provided as a hint for a local sysadmin to aid 
them in setting up their ppp connection.

I doubt very much if there is a single package that could justify having 
anything run by ip-up/down by default, without at least asking the user in the 
postinst if that was what they required.  Any package that does install such a 
script is almost certainly a bug IMHO.

I for one have a diald setup that includes over twenty dial-on-demand links, 
only on of which is to my ISP.  I certainly don't want to kick my MTA each 
time I dial into one of my clients, because it would make diald go nuts, and I 
cannot see the point of doing bind reloads either (although I don't suppose it 
would do any harm).

If people think they have a package that needs something to be run by ppp's 
ip-up/down they should either put something about it in their packages README, 
or include an example script under /usr/doc, or perhaps prompt the user about 
it in their packages postinst.  This was the case before I included the 
run-parts line, and I don't see how I've changed that.

I'm not particularly convinced by the /etc/ppp/ip.conf idea.  It's fine for 
simple setups, but if you are going to have to hack scripts to conditionally 
start depending upon which ppp link just came up, then the simple ON/OFF 
switch is pretty worthless.

I would be much happier if packages provided example scripts that the sysadmin 
could either just copy into place, or edit to suit their needs.  I suppose 
they can always suggest installing a script in the postinst, if the package 
maintainer thinks it would be useful for the vast majority of users.

It would be nice if we could make it so that a new linux user could get an 
Internet connection up after a few minutes of point-and-drool, without making 
life hard for the people that have weird and wonderful setups (like Manoj and 
me).

Perhaps we need a configuration file /etc/userlevel, which contains something 
ranging from ``neophyte'' to ``guru'', so postinst's can decide what to ask 
the user. ;-)

Cheers, Phil.





<strong>Severity set to `wishlist'.</strong>
Request was from <code>Martin Schulze &lt;joey@kuolema.Infodrom.North.DE&gt;</code>
to <code>control@bugs.debian.org</code>. 


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severity 18719 wishlist
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You have taken responsibility.


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Package: smail
Version: N/A

You should add a conffile in /etc/ppp/ip-up.d which can be
used for PPP users to flush the mail queue when the link comes
up.  Here's an example shell script:

#!/bin/sh

[ -x /usr/bin/runq ] && /usr/bin/runq


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The smail package has been removed from Debian testing, unstable and
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Bug acknowledged by developer.


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Version: 3.2.0.115-7.1+rm

The smail package has been removed from Debian testing, unstable and
experimental, so I am now closing the bugs that were still opened
against it.

For more information about this package's removal, read
http://bugs.debian.org/474068 . That bug might give the reasons why
this package was removed, and suggestions of possible replacements.

Don't hesitate to reply to this mail if you have any question.

Thank you for your contribution to Debian.

--
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<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Hector Garcia &lt;hector@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#19130</code>; Package <code>smail</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgHector Garcia <hector@debian.org>

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