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It would be nice, when doing a long upgrade that asks many 'this config
file changed'-type questions, to have available to the subshell that is
spawned when one chooses "Z" some environment variables which specify
the names of the old and new configuration files. This would allow
sysadmins to write small shell scripts (or whatever) that presented the
information they need to know about the two config. files.
For example, what I envision is that when dpkg spawns a subshell it sets
the following environment variables:
DPKG_SHELL_REASON=configfile-examine
DPKG_OLDCONFIGFILE=/etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options
DPKG_NEWCONFIGFILE=/etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options.dpkg-new
I could then write a shell script that takes these environment variables
and (in my case) calls on xemacs to load both files, set the new one
read-only, and start up an ediff session. Other people who prefer other
methods could do whatever it is they prefer; what I'm asking for is just
the environment variables.
-- System Information
Debian Release: woody
Kernel Version: Linux cush 2.2.13 #2 Sun Nov 7 23:06:28 EST 1999 i586 unknown
Versions of the packages dpkg depends on:
ii libc6 2.1.3-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
ii libncurses5 5.0-6 Shared libraries for terminal handling
ii libstdc++2.10 2.95.2-7 The GNU stdc++ library
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It would be nice, when doing a long upgrade that asks many 'this config
file changed'-type questions, to have available to the subshell that is
spawned when one chooses "Z" some environment variables which specify
the names of the old and new configuration files. This would allow
sysadmins to write small shell scripts (or whatever) that presented the
information they need to know about the two config. files.
For example, what I envision is that when dpkg spawns a subshell it sets
the following environment variables:
DPKG_SHELL_REASON=configfile-examine
DPKG_OLDCONFIGFILE=/etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options
DPKG_NEWCONFIGFILE=/etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options.dpkg-new
I could then write a shell script that takes these environment variables
and (in my case) calls on xemacs to load both files, set the new one
read-only, and start up an ediff session. Other people who prefer other
methods could do whatever it is they prefer; what I'm asking for is just
the environment variables.
-- System Information
Debian Release: woody
Kernel Version: Linux cush 2.2.13 #2 Sun Nov 7 23:06:28 EST 1999 i586 unknown
Versions of the packages dpkg depends on:
ii libc6 2.1.3-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone
ii libncurses5 5.0-6 Shared libraries for terminal handling
ii libstdc++2.10 2.95.2-7 The GNU stdc++ library
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Previously Daniel Martin wrote:
> It would be nice, when doing a long upgrade that asks many 'this config
> file changed'-type questions, to have available to the subshell that is
> spawned when one chooses "Z" some environment variables which specify
> the names of the old and new configuration files.
Hmm, nice idea. It doesn't work though since dpkg background itself
instead of spawning a new shell (if the OS supports that that is),
and it's not possible to change the environment for you parent
process..
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Previously Daniel Martin wrote:
> It would be nice, when doing a long upgrade that asks many 'this config
> file changed'-type questions, to have available to the subshell that is
> spawned when one chooses "Z" some environment variables which specify
> the names of the old and new configuration files.
Hmm, nice idea. It doesn't work though since dpkg background itself
instead of spawning a new shell (if the OS supports that that is),
and it's not possible to change the environment for you parent
process..
Wichert.
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Wichert Akkerman writes:
> Previously Daniel Martin wrote:
> > It would be nice, when doing a long upgrade that asks many 'this config
> > file changed'-type questions, to have available to the subshell that is
> > spawned when one chooses "Z" some environment variables which specify
> > the names of the old and new configuration files.
>
> Hmm, nice idea. It doesn't work though since dpkg background itself
> instead of spawning a new shell (if the OS supports that that is),
> and it's not possible to change the environment for you parent
> process..
>
> Wichert.
I understand that you can't set the environment variables of a parent
process, but dpkg *doesn't* always background itself when you choose
"z". One of these times is when it's being run from inside an apt-get
process:
(after manipulating /var/lib/dpkg/status so that dpkg will think that
I need to upgrade and that a config. file has changed -- ugly, but
this is for demonstration purposes)
================================================================
cush:/mnt/hda9/fvwm/fvwm95_2.0.43ba$ sudo apt-get install fvwm95
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 51 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/558kB of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
(Reading database ... 78898 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace fvwm95 2.0.43ba-12 (using .../fvwm95_2.0.43ba-13_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement fvwm95 ...
Setting up fvwm95 (2.0.43ba-13) ...
Configuration file `/etc/menu-methods/fvwm95'
==> File on system created by you or by a script.
==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or O : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between the versions
Z : background this process to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
*** fvwm95 (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? z
Your currently installed version of the file is in:
/etc/menu-methods/fvwm95
The version contained in the new version of the package is in:
/etc/menu-methods/fvwm95.dpkg-new
If you decide to take care of the update yourself, perhaps by editing
the installed version, you should choose `N' when you return, so that
I do not mess up your careful work.
Type `exit' when you're done.
cush:/# pstree | tail -2
`-xterm---bash---apt-get---dpkg---bash-+-pstree
`-tail
============================================================
I understand that these environment variables won't always be
available, but if we assume that most upgrades will be done through
apt (either directly, with dselect's apt method, or with one of those
fancy apt frontends), then these environment variables will be useful
most of the time.
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Wichert Akkerman writes:
> Previously Daniel Martin wrote:
> > It would be nice, when doing a long upgrade that asks many 'this config
> > file changed'-type questions, to have available to the subshell that is
> > spawned when one chooses "Z" some environment variables which specify
> > the names of the old and new configuration files.
>
> Hmm, nice idea. It doesn't work though since dpkg background itself
> instead of spawning a new shell (if the OS supports that that is),
> and it's not possible to change the environment for you parent
> process..
>
> Wichert.
I understand that you can't set the environment variables of a parent
process, but dpkg *doesn't* always background itself when you choose
"z". One of these times is when it's being run from inside an apt-get
process:
(after manipulating /var/lib/dpkg/status so that dpkg will think that
I need to upgrade and that a config. file has changed -- ugly, but
this is for demonstration purposes)
================================================================
cush:/mnt/hda9/fvwm/fvwm95_2.0.43ba$ sudo apt-get install fvwm95
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
1 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 51 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/558kB of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
(Reading database ... 78898 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace fvwm95 2.0.43ba-12 (using .../fvwm95_2.0.43ba-13_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement fvwm95 ...
Setting up fvwm95 (2.0.43ba-13) ...
Configuration file `/etc/menu-methods/fvwm95'
==> File on system created by you or by a script.
==> File also in package provided by package maintainer.
What would you like to do about it ? Your options are:
Y or I : install the package maintainer's version
N or O : keep your currently-installed version
D : show the differences between the versions
Z : background this process to examine the situation
The default action is to keep your current version.
*** fvwm95 (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? z
Your currently installed version of the file is in:
/etc/menu-methods/fvwm95
The version contained in the new version of the package is in:
/etc/menu-methods/fvwm95.dpkg-new
If you decide to take care of the update yourself, perhaps by editing
the installed version, you should choose `N' when you return, so that
I do not mess up your careful work.
Type `exit' when you're done.
cush:/# pstree | tail -2
`-xterm---bash---apt-get---dpkg---bash-+-pstree
`-tail
============================================================
I understand that these environment variables won't always be
available, but if we assume that most upgrades will be done through
apt (either directly, with dselect's apt method, or with one of those
fancy apt frontends), then these environment variables will be useful
most of the time.
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Wichert Akkerman writes:
> Previously Daniel Martin wrote:
> > I understand that these environment variables won't always be
> > available, but if we assume that most upgrades will be done through
> > apt (either directly, with dselect's apt method, or with one of those
> > fancy apt frontends), then these environment variables will be useful
> > most of the time.
>
> But it makes things inconsistant, which I consider to be worse then
> being occasionally better.
>
> Wichert.
Maybe.
That is, I disagree, but I also see where a reasonable person could
agree with you and not me. If you don't change your mind in a week or
so, I'll close this bug.
Acknowledgement sent to 60329@bugs.debian.org, Daniel.Martin@jhu.edu:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@debian.org>.
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Wichert Akkerman writes:
> Previously Daniel Martin wrote:
> > I understand that these environment variables won't always be
> > available, but if we assume that most upgrades will be done through
> > apt (either directly, with dselect's apt method, or with one of those
> > fancy apt frontends), then these environment variables will be useful
> > most of the time.
>
> But it makes things inconsistant, which I consider to be worse then
> being occasionally better.
>
> Wichert.
Maybe.
That is, I disagree, but I also see where a reasonable person could
agree with you and not me. If you don't change your mind in a week or
so, I'll close this bug.
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