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Bug#32428; Package freeciv.   debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgLalo Martins  Subject: Bug#32428: freeciv: saving modified scenarios Reply-To: Mikolaj Konarski , 32428@bugs.debian.org Resent-From: Mikolaj Konarski Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-CC: Lalo Martins Resent-Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:48:03 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj@debian.org X-Debian-PR-Message: report 32428 X-Debian-PR-Package: freeciv X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B.9173651849472 (code B ref -1); Tue, 26 Jan 1999 15:48:03 GMT Date: 26 Jan 1999 15:33:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990126153348.5836.qmail@duch.mimuw.edu.pl> From: Mikolaj Konarski To: submit@bugs.debian.org Package: freeciv Version: 1.7.2-3 When I load a scenario, change some server options and try to save it, it says that this cannot be saved _before_ the game has started. Funny, but when I try to change some other values e.g. generator, before the game starts, it says that the values cannot be changed _after_ the game has started. -- mailto:mikon@mimuw.edu.pl http://zls.mimuw.edu.pl/~mikon/home.html The one good thing about repeating your mistakes is that you know when to cringe.   Acknowledgement sent to Mikolaj Konarski <mikon@mimuw.edu.pl>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Lalo Martins <lalo@webcom.com>.   -t  From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System) To: Mikolaj Konarski Subject: Bug#32428: Acknowledgement (freeciv: saving modified scenarios) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19990126153348.5836.qmail@duch.mimuw.edu.pl> References: <19990126153348.5836.qmail@duch.mimuw.edu.pl> X-Debian-PR-Message: ack 32428 Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian. This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message has been received. It is being forwarded to the developers' mailing list for their attention; they will reply in due course. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): Lalo Martins If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send it to 32428@bugs.debian.org (and *not* to bugs@bugs.debian.org). Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (administrator, Debian bugs database)   Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Jan 1999 15:39:44 +0000 Received: (qmail 9469 invoked from network); 26 Jan 1999 15:39:44 -0000 Received: from duch.mimuw.edu.pl (qmailr@148.81.13.60) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 26 Jan 1999 15:39:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 5837 invoked by uid 10006); 26 Jan 1999 15:33:48 -0000 Date: 26 Jan 1999 15:33:48 -0000 Message-ID: <19990126153348.5836.qmail@duch.mimuw.edu.pl> From: Mikolaj Konarski To: submit@bugs.debian.org Subject: freeciv: saving modified scenarios Package: freeciv Version: 1.7.2-3 When I load a scenario, change some server options and try to save it, it says that this cannot be saved _before_ the game has started. Funny, but when I try to change some other values e.g. generator, before the game starts, it says that the values cannot be changed _after_ the game has started. -- mailto:mikon@mimuw.edu.pl http://zls.mimuw.edu.pl/~mikon/home.html The one good thing about repeating your mistakes is that you know when to cringe.   Noted your statement that bug has been forwarded to freeciv-dev@freeciv.org. Request was from Lalo Martins <lalo@webcom.com> to control@bugs.debian.org.   Received: (at control) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Jan 1999 19:26:05 +0000 Received: (qmail 5145 invoked from network); 26 Jan 1999 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from hecate.webcom.com (209.1.28.39) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 26 Jan 1999 19:26:05 -0000 Received: from kigal.webcom.com (kigal.webcom.com [209.1.28.57]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA25396 for ; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 11:26:05 -0800 Received: from [200.211.163.87] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 25812184; Tue Jan 26 11:23 PST 1999 Received: from lalo by lalo.ddns.org with local (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 105E7x-0000K4-00; Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:26:21 -0200 Message-Id: <19990126172619.A1239@lalo.ddns.org> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1999 17:26:19 -0200 From: Lalo Martins To: control@bugs.debian.org Subject: freeciv-jan-99 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93.2i X-Url: http://www.webcom.com/lalo forwarded 32425 freeciv-dev@freeciv.org forwarded 32428 freeciv-dev@freeciv.org forwarded 32430 freeciv-dev@freeciv.org thanks |alo +---- -- I am Lalo of deB-org. You will be freed. Resistance is futile. http://www.webcom.com/lalo mailto:lalo@webcom.com pgp key in the web page Debian GNU/Linux -- http://www.debian.org   Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Lalo Martins <lalo@webcom.com>:
Bug#32428; Package freeciv.   debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgLalo Martins  Subject: Bug#32428: [Freeciv-Dev] [mikon@mimuw.edu.pl: Bug#32428: freeciv: saving modified scenarios] Reply-To: Daniel Gudlat , 32428@bugs.debian.org Resent-From: Daniel Gudlat Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-CC: Lalo Martins Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:48:01 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: iwj@debian.org X-Debian-PR-Message: report 32428 X-Debian-PR-Package: freeciv X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by 32428-bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B32428.91744767427426 (code B ref 32428); Wed, 27 Jan 1999 14:48:01 GMT From: Daniel Gudlat Message-Id: <199901270921.KAA01208@bussard> In-Reply-To: <19990126143821.A852@lalo.ddns.org> from Lalo Martins at "Jan 26, 99 02:38:21 pm" To: lalo@webcom.com (Lalo Martins) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:21:38 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-From: lalo@webcom.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:34:41 -0200 Resent-To: 32428@bugs.debian.org Resent-Message-Id: Hello Freeciv team, Lalo Martins wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Mikolaj Konarski ----- > > When I load a scenario, change some server options and try to save it, > > it says that this cannot be saved _before_ the game has started. > > > > Funny, but when I try to change some other values e.g. generator, > > before the game starts, it says that the values cannot be changed > > _after_ the game has started. > > Heh... funny no? :-) Who coded scenarios in the first place? I did, and that behaviour is - at least partly - sane: The values that can't be changed after a scenario has been loaded are mostly those concerned with map generation. When you loaded a scenario, you have a (possibly incomplete) map, so changing map generation options afterwards is only confusing and leads to potentially bad behaviour - namely the scenario map being wiped in favor of a randomly generated one, and why would you have loaded a scenario then in the first place? Now you can argue that the whole which-option-can-be-changed-when thing is a bit of a kludge, and I wholeheartedly agree. But changing that would have required rewriting a much bigger portion of the server code than I had the intention, energy, time and will power to do when I did the scenario patch... Now, about that changing server options and then saving the as yet unstarted scenario: That should _perhaps_ be possible. The current state is that the server can read server options, scenarios and savegames, but can only write server options (before there is a map) and savegames (after the game has started), scenarios taking the ominous place in the middle. My position about this is that scenario's are mostly meant to be played as provided. If you absolutely have to change them permanently, fire up that nice and spiffy (and as yet mostly nonexistant :-( ) scenario/map editor. Anyone have an opinion on that? I may sit down and do a patch to allow saving scenarios if people think this is a Good Thing(tm). I'd rather have a nice working scenario/map editor instead as I think this provides a much cleaner solution to that problem. (If things go as planned I'll have somewhat more time come April, which I may use to have a long look at the map editor sources, but before that I don't have time for more than a cursory glance :-( ) Bye, -- Daniel "Gudy" Gudlat (mailto:gudlat@informatik.hu-berlin.de) ICQ-UIN: 5258903 (http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~gudlat) "Let us do the undoable, let us think the unthinkable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all!"   Acknowledgement sent to Daniel Gudlat <gudlat@informatik.hu-berlin.de>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Lalo Martins <lalo@webcom.com>.   -t  From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System) To: Daniel Gudlat Subject: Bug#32428: Info received (was [Freeciv-Dev] [mikon@mimuw.edu.pl: Bug#32428: freeciv: saving modified scenarios]) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <199901270921.KAA01208@bussard> References: <199901270921.KAA01208@bussard> X-Debian-PR-Message: ack-info-maintonly 32428 Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developer(s) and to the developers' mailing list to accompany the original report. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): Lalo Martins If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem, please send it to 32428@bugs.debian.org, as before. Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message, unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system. Ian Jackson (administrator, Debian bugs database)   Received: (at 32428) by bugs.debian.org; 27 Jan 1999 14:34:34 +0000 Received: (qmail 27423 invoked from network); 27 Jan 1999 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from hecate.webcom.com (209.1.28.39) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 27 Jan 1999 14:34:33 -0000 Received: from eresh.webcom.com (eresh.webcom.com [209.1.28.49]) by hecate.webcom.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id GAA12719 for <32428@bugs.debian.org>; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 06:34:32 -0800 Received: from [200.211.163.168] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 16618272; Wed Jan 27 06:31 PST 1999 Received: from lalo by lalo.ddns.org with local (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 105W3G-0000CM-00; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:34:42 -0200 Received: from lalo.ddns.org [127.0.0.1] (root) by lalo.ddns.org with esmtp (Exim 1.92 #1 (Debian)) id 105W0w-0000B5-00; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:32:18 -0200 Received: from 209.1.28.48 by lalo.ddns.org (fetchmail-4.3.9 POP3) for (single-drop); Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:32:18 EDT Received: from kigal.webcom.com ([209.1.28.57]) by eris.webcom.com (Netscape Mail Server v2.02) with SMTP id AAX1358 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 01:21:46 -0800 Received: from [141.20.20.50] by inanna.webcom.com (WebCom SMTP 1.2.1) with SMTP id 16610254; Wed Jan 27 01:19 PST 1999 Received: from bussard (bussard.informatik.hu-berlin.de [141.20.21.83]) by informatik.hu-berlin.de (8.8.5/8.8.5/INF-1.0-MA-HPUX9.04) with SMTP id KAA16626 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:21:40 +0100 (MEZ) From: Daniel Gudlat Received: by bussard (SMI-8.6) id KAA01208; Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:21:39 +0100 Message-Id: <199901270921.KAA01208@bussard> Subject: Re: [Freeciv-Dev] [mikon@mimuw.edu.pl: Bug#32428: freeciv: saving modified scenarios] In-Reply-To: <19990126143821.A852@lalo.ddns.org> from Lalo Martins at "Jan 26, 99 02:38:21 pm" To: lalo@webcom.com (Lalo Martins) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 10:21:38 +0100 (MET) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL28 (25)] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Resent-From: lalo@webcom.com Resent-Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1999 12:34:41 -0200 Resent-To: 32428@bugs.debian.org Resent-Message-Id: Hello Freeciv team, Lalo Martins wrote: > ----- Forwarded message from Mikolaj Konarski ----- > > When I load a scenario, change some server options and try to save it, > > it says that this cannot be saved _before_ the game has started. > > > > Funny, but when I try to change some other values e.g. generator, > > before the game starts, it says that the values cannot be changed > > _after_ the game has started. > > Heh... funny no? :-) Who coded scenarios in the first place? I did, and that behaviour is - at least partly - sane: The values that can't be changed after a scenario has been loaded are mostly those concerned with map generation. When you loaded a scenario, you have a (possibly incomplete) map, so changing map generation options afterwards is only confusing and leads to potentially bad behaviour - namely the scenario map being wiped in favor of a randomly generated one, and why would you have loaded a scenario then in the first place? Now you can argue that the whole which-option-can-be-changed-when thing is a bit of a kludge, and I wholeheartedly agree. But changing that would have required rewriting a much bigger portion of the server code than I had the intention, energy, time and will power to do when I did the scenario patch... Now, about that changing server options and then saving the as yet unstarted scenario: That should _perhaps_ be possible. The current state is that the server can read server options, scenarios and savegames, but can only write server options (before there is a map) and savegames (after the game has started), scenarios taking the ominous place in the middle. My position about this is that scenario's are mostly meant to be played as provided. If you absolutely have to change them permanently, fire up that nice and spiffy (and as yet mostly nonexistant :-( ) scenario/map editor. Anyone have an opinion on that? I may sit down and do a patch to allow saving scenarios if people think this is a Good Thing(tm). I'd rather have a nice working scenario/map editor instead as I think this provides a much cleaner solution to that problem. (If things go as planned I'll have somewhat more time come April, which I may use to have a long look at the map editor sources, but before that I don't have time for more than a cursory glance :-( ) Bye, -- Daniel "Gudy" Gudlat (mailto:gudlat@informatik.hu-berlin.de) ICQ-UIN: 5258903 (http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~gudlat) "Let us do the undoable, let us think the unthinkable. Let us prepare to grapple with the ineffable itself, and see if we may not eff it after all!"   Removed annotation that Bug had been forwarded to freeciv-dev@freeciv.org. Request was from Jordi Mallach <jordi@debian.org> to control@bugs.debian.org.   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