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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root
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Package: boot-floppies
Version: potato

Hi,

The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:

# ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.

# when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy

case "`tty`" in
    /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
esac

However, after installation, root's account doesn't have this, as it is not
created using adduser/useradd, I guess, but made by the installation system.

This file should be added to ~root, because root's privacy must be of utmost
importance. :) TIA.

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Package: boot-floppies
Version: potato

Hi,

The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:

# ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.

# when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy

case "`tty`" in
    /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
esac

However, after installation, root's account doesn't have this, as it is not
created using adduser/useradd, I guess, but made by the installation system.

This file should be added to ~root, because root's privacy must be of utmost
importance. :) TIA.

-- 
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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root
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Previously Josip Rodin wrote:
> The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:
> 
> # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 
> # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> 
> case "`tty`" in
>     /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
> esac

Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
tty10 for example.

Wichert.

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Previously Josip Rodin wrote:
> The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:
> 
> # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 
> # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> 
> case "`tty`" in
>     /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
> esac

Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
tty10 for example.

Wichert.

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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root
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On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 03:32:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:
> > 
> > # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> > 
> > # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> > 
> > case "`tty`" in
> >     /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
> > esac
> 
> Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
> by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
> tty10 for example.

Well, okay, the test can be improved, but the idea should be good.

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On Sun, Sep 24, 2000 at 03:32:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:
> > 
> > # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> > 
> > # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> > 
> > case "`tty`" in
> >     /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
> > esac
> 
> Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
> by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
> tty10 for example.

Well, okay, the test can be improved, but the idea should be good.

-- 
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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root
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On Sun Sep 24, 2000 at 03:32:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Josip Rodin wrote:
> > The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:
> > 
> > # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> > 
> > # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> > 
> > case "`tty`" in
> >     /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
> > esac
> 
> Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
> by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
> tty10 for example.

File a bug on bash then...

    [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.

    # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy

    case "`tty`" in
	/dev/tty[0-9]) clear
    esac
    [andersen@traveller src]$ dpkg -S /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    bash: /etc/skel/.bash_logout

 -Erik

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On Sun Sep 24, 2000 at 03:32:14PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Josip Rodin wrote:
> > The bash package in potato includes a nice /etc/skel/.bash_logout file:
> > 
> > # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> > 
> > # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy
> > 
> > case "`tty`" in
> >     /dev/tty[0-9]) clear
> > esac
> 
> Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
> by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
> tty10 for example.

File a bug on bash then...

    [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.

    # when leaving the console clear the screen to increase privacy

    case "`tty`" in
	/dev/tty[0-9]) clear
    esac
    [andersen@traveller src]$ dpkg -S /etc/skel/.bash_logout
    bash: /etc/skel/.bash_logout

 -Erik

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Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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Package: bash
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> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
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Wichert.

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Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
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Wichert.

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Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> wrote:
>> 
>> Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
>> by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
>> tty10 for example.

> Well, okay, the test can be improved, but the idea should be good.

IMHO it should be th gettys that cleared the screen, not the shells.
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Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> wrote:
>> 
>> Eww! Barf! I would actually consider it a bug if my shell did that
>> by default. It's also a completely broken test, if doesn't work for
>> tty10 for example.

> Well, okay, the test can be improved, but the idea should be good.

IMHO it should be th gettys that cleared the screen, not the shells.
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reassign 72327 bash
retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
thanks

I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root

Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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reassign 72327 bash
retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
thanks

I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

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From: Wichert Akkerman <wichert@cistron.nl>
To: submit@bugs.debian.org, Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
Cc: 72327@bugs.debian.org, Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root

Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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<strong>Bug reassigned from package `boot-floppies' to `bash'.</strong>
Request was from <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>
to <code>control@bugs.debian.org</code>. 


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reassign 72327 bash
retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
thanks

I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

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To: submit@bugs.debian.org, Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
Cc: 72327@bugs.debian.org, Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root

Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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<strong>Changed Bug title.</strong>
Request was from <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>
to <code>control@bugs.debian.org</code>. 


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From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
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Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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reassign 72327 bash
retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
thanks

I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

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To: submit@bugs.debian.org, Erik Andersen <andersen@codepoet.org>
Cc: 72327@bugs.debian.org, Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root

Package: bash
Severity: normal

> File a bug on bash then...
> 
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ ls -l /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          174 Feb 20  2000 /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     [andersen@traveller src]$ cat /etc/skel/.bash_logout
>     # ~/.bash_logout: executed by bash(1) when login shell exits.
> 

Lets do that.
The problem: bash should not clear the screen by default, it's imho
highly annoying behaviour. 

Wichert.

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<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:58:22PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> reassign 72327 bash
> retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> thanks
> 
> I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done by
the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the root's
screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.

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<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Josip Rodin &lt;joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

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On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:58:22PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> reassign 72327 bash
> retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> thanks
> 
> I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.

If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done by
the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the root's
screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.

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<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:58:22PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > reassign 72327 bash
> > retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> > thanks
> > 
> > I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> > Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.
> 
> If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done by
> the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the root's
> screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.

But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?

The status of /root/.bash_logout is even better than a conffile: You
can add such file if you want one and you don't have it, it will never
be overwritten by a system file, and dpkg will never prompt about it.





<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

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On Mon, 25 Sep 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 12:58:22PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > reassign 72327 bash
> > retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> > thanks
> > 
> > I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> > Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.
> 
> If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done by
> the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the root's
> screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.

But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?

The status of /root/.bash_logout is even better than a conffile: You
can add such file if you want one and you don't have it, it will never
be overwritten by a system file, and dpkg will never prompt about it.





<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


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On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > reassign 72327 bash
> > > retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> > > 
> > > I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> > > Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.
> > 
> > If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done
> > by the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the
> > root's screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.
> 
> But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
> default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?

The defaults on new installations should be adjusted to be most safe for
newbie users. Imagine this type of `social engineering': a malicious person
sees a newbie admin (it could be a home machine, even) edit something,
guesses it could be sensitive information, and immediately thinks of a
reason for him to have to leave the console. Then he comes in pretending to
be rushing, screams the aforemented reason, which causes the newbie to exit
the editor, type exit and run off hastily. The malicious person then
captures the sensitive information still on screen (approx. 15 lines at
least), without being noticed and without any real logs.

Yeah, sure, it's not going to happen every day; but we do fix all exploit
cases in our packages, even if they are only potential, don't we?

I also can't think of any advantage in leaving the screen not cleared after
root logout.

> The status of /root/.bash_logout is even better than a conffile: You
> can add such file if you want one and you don't have it, it will never
> be overwritten by a system file, and dpkg will never prompt about it.

People who know that they don't want it would also know how easily they can
remove it. So IMHO it would be better to have the screen cleared by default.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Josip Rodin &lt;joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
Subject: Bug#72327: Info received (was Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd))
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To: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
Cc: util-linux@packages.debian.org, 72327@bugs.debian.org,
	bash@packages.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > reassign 72327 bash
> > > retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> > > 
> > > I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> > > Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.
> > 
> > If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done
> > by the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the
> > root's screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.
> 
> But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
> default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?

The defaults on new installations should be adjusted to be most safe for
newbie users. Imagine this type of `social engineering': a malicious person
sees a newbie admin (it could be a home machine, even) edit something,
guesses it could be sensitive information, and immediately thinks of a
reason for him to have to leave the console. Then he comes in pretending to
be rushing, screams the aforemented reason, which causes the newbie to exit
the editor, type exit and run off hastily. The malicious person then
captures the sensitive information still on screen (approx. 15 lines at
least), without being noticed and without any real logs.

Yeah, sure, it's not going to happen every day; but we do fix all exploit
cases in our packages, even if they are only potential, don't we?

I also can't think of any advantage in leaving the screen not cleared after
root logout.

> The status of /root/.bash_logout is even better than a conffile: You
> can add such file if you want one and you don't have it, it will never
> be overwritten by a system file, and dpkg will never prompt about it.

People who know that they don't want it would also know how easily they can
remove it. So IMHO it would be better to have the screen cleared by default.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
To: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
cc: util-linux@packages.debian.org, 72327@bugs.debian.org,
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > > reassign 72327 bash
> > > > retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> > > > 
> > > > I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> > > > Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.
> > > 
> > > If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done
> > > by the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the
> > > root's screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.
> > 
> > But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
> > default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?
> 
> The defaults on new installations should be adjusted to be most safe for
> newbie users. Imagine this type of `social engineering': a malicious person
> sees a newbie admin (it could be a home machine, even) edit something,
> guesses it could be sensitive information, and immediately thinks of a
> reason for him to have to leave the console. Then he comes in pretending to
> be rushing, screams the aforemented reason, which causes the newbie to exit
> the editor, type exit and run off hastily. The malicious person then
> captures the sensitive information still on screen (approx. 15 lines at
> least), without being noticed and without any real logs.
> [...]

Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.

I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
to change one of them we would have to change them all.





<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
Subject: Bug#72327: Info received (was Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd))
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From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
To: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
cc: util-linux@packages.debian.org, 72327@bugs.debian.org,
        bash@packages.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Tue, Sep 26, 2000 at 11:59:34AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > > reassign 72327 bash
> > > > retitle 72327 /etc/skel/.bash_logout should not exist
> > > > 
> > > > I also wonder why do we need .bash_profile and .bashrc in /etc/skel at all.
> > > > Policy says /etc/skel should be as empty as we can make it.
> > > 
> > > If clearing of the screen shouldn't be done by the shell, can it be done
> > > by the getty instead, please? I filed the bug because I _want_ the
> > > root's screen to be cleared after exiting, not the other way around.
> > 
> > But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
> > default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?
> 
> The defaults on new installations should be adjusted to be most safe for
> newbie users. Imagine this type of `social engineering': a malicious person
> sees a newbie admin (it could be a home machine, even) edit something,
> guesses it could be sensitive information, and immediately thinks of a
> reason for him to have to leave the console. Then he comes in pretending to
> be rushing, screams the aforemented reason, which causes the newbie to exit
> the editor, type exit and run off hastily. The malicious person then
> captures the sensitive information still on screen (approx. 15 lines at
> least), without being noticed and without any real logs.
> [...]

Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.

I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
to change one of them we would have to change them all.





<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:25:29AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
> > > default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?
> > 
> > The defaults on new installations should be adjusted to be most safe for
> > newbie users. Imagine this type of `social engineering': a malicious person
> > sees a newbie admin (it could be a home machine, even) edit something,
> > guesses it could be sensitive information, and immediately thinks of a
> > reason for him to have to leave the console. Then he comes in pretending to
> > be rushing, screams the aforemented reason, which causes the newbie to exit
> > the editor, type exit and run off hastily. The malicious person then
> > captures the sensitive information still on screen (approx. 15 lines at
> > least), without being noticed and without any real logs.
> > [...]
> 
> Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
> encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
> agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
> impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
> change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.
> 
> I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
> being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
> to change one of them we would have to change them all.

But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
security/privacy policies are special.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Josip Rodin &lt;joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
Subject: Bug#72327: Info received (was Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd))
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On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 11:25:29AM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > But some people does not want this to happen and consider it a bad
> > > default. What's wrong with adding your own /root/.bash_logout?
> > 
> > The defaults on new installations should be adjusted to be most safe for
> > newbie users. Imagine this type of `social engineering': a malicious person
> > sees a newbie admin (it could be a home machine, even) edit something,
> > guesses it could be sensitive information, and immediately thinks of a
> > reason for him to have to leave the console. Then he comes in pretending to
> > be rushing, screams the aforemented reason, which causes the newbie to exit
> > the editor, type exit and run off hastily. The malicious person then
> > captures the sensitive information still on screen (approx. 15 lines at
> > least), without being noticed and without any real logs.
> > [...]
> 
> Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
> encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
> agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
> impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
> change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.
> 
> I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
> being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
> to change one of them we would have to change them all.

But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
security/privacy policies are special.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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> > Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
> > encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
> > agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
> > impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
> > change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.
> > 
> > I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
> > being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
> > to change one of them we would have to change them all.
> 
> But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
> directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
> security/privacy policies are special.

Are you sure?

$ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/





<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
Subject: Bug#72327: Info received (was Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd))
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Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
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To: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>, 72327@bugs.debian.org
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> > Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
> > encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
> > agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
> > impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
> > change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.
> > 
> > I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
> > being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
> > to change one of them we would have to change them all.
> 
> But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
> directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
> security/privacy policies are special.

Are you sure?

$ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/





<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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Santiago Vila writes:
 > > > Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
 > > > encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
 > > > agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
 > > > impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
 > > > change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.
 > > > 
 > > > I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
 > > > being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
 > > > to change one of them we would have to change them all.
 > > 
 > > But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
 > > directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
 > > security/privacy policies are special.
 > 
 > Are you sure?
 > 
 > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
 > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/

maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
default. 

anyway this has nothing to do with obscurity. compare it with
gdm/xdm/kdm. they clear the screen as well. So it becomes more
consistent with these packages.




<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@cs.tu-berlin.de&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

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Santiago Vila writes:
 > > > Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we should
 > > > encourage it. Privacy and security should be different things. While I
 > > > agree we should fix every security hole, I don't think we should
 > > > impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you suggest, we should
 > > > change default mode for directories in /home to be 750 or something alike.
 > > > 
 > > > I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home directories
 > > > being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in Debian, if we decide
 > > > to change one of them we would have to change them all.
 > > 
 > > But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
 > > directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
 > > security/privacy policies are special.
 > 
 > Are you sure?
 > 
 > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
 > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/

maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
default. 

anyway this has nothing to do with obscurity. compare it with
gdm/xdm/kdm. they clear the screen as well. So it becomes more
consistent with these packages.




<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:35:34PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
>  > > > Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we
>  > > > should encourage it. Privacy and security should be different
>  > > > things. While I agree we should fix every security hole, I don't
>  > > > think we should impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you
>  > > > suggest, we should change default mode for directories in /home to
>  > > > be 750 or something alike.
>  > > > 
>  > > > I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home
>  > > > directories being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in
>  > > > Debian, if we decide to change one of them we would have to change
>  > > > them all.
>  > > 
>  > > But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
>  > > directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
>  > > security/privacy policies are special.
>  > 
>  > Are you sure?
>  > 
>  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
>  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> 
> maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> default.

Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
made?

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Josip Rodin &lt;joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

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On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 02:35:34PM +0200, Matthias Klose wrote:
>  > > > Well, this is security throught obscurity, and I don't think we
>  > > > should encourage it. Privacy and security should be different
>  > > > things. While I agree we should fix every security hole, I don't
>  > > > think we should impose a default privacy policy. If we did what you
>  > > > suggest, we should change default mode for directories in /home to
>  > > > be 750 or something alike.
>  > > > 
>  > > > I think the lack of a .bash_logout file is in line with /home
>  > > > directories being 755 by default and other non-privacy defaults in
>  > > > Debian, if we decide to change one of them we would have to change
>  > > > them all.
>  > > 
>  > > But this is a wee bit different. This is the _root_ account. Its home
>  > > directory, /root, is mode 700. Admin is a special kind of user, and his
>  > > security/privacy policies are special.
>  > 
>  > Are you sure?
>  > 
>  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
>  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> 
> maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> default.

Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
made?

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

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> >  > Are you sure?
> >  > 
> >  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
> >  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> > 
> > maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> > default.
> 
> Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
> made?

/root has always been 755. The gratuitous thing (IMHO) was the boot
floppies team overriding this in the base system. Some time ago I
asked about this and 755 was considered to be good enough for /root,
see the archives.

Anyway, the root account does not differ so much from an ordinary user
account, because the admin is usually supposed to do "su" from an
unprivileged account. If you think we should change our privacy
policy, please move the thread to debian-devel and consider all the
cases, including default mode for directories in /home.





<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

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From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
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> >  > Are you sure?
> >  > 
> >  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
> >  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> > 
> > maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> > default.
> 
> Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
> made?

/root has always been 755. The gratuitous thing (IMHO) was the boot
floppies team overriding this in the base system. Some time ago I
asked about this and 755 was considered to be good enough for /root,
see the archives.

Anyway, the root account does not differ so much from an ordinary user
account, because the admin is usually supposed to do "su" from an
unprivileged account. If you think we should change our privacy
policy, please move the thread to debian-devel and consider all the
cases, including default mode for directories in /home.





<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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From: Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr>
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On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 02:17:03PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > >  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
> > >  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> > > 
> > > maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> > > default.
> > 
> > Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
> > made?
> 
> /root has always been 755.

I haven't seen any of those. All slink installs had it 700, which I
considered to be a sane default.

Anyway, history doesn't really matter with these kind of security issues --
sendmail had loads and loads of root exploits during the last decade, it
doesn't mean it should have them today.

> Some time ago I asked about this and 755 was considered to be good enough
> for /root, see the archives.

Which list?

> Anyway, the root account does not differ so much from an ordinary user
> account, because the admin is usually supposed to do "su" from an
> unprivileged account.

What people should do and what people will do is usually very different.
Besides, what does that have to do with file/directory permissions? Su'ed,
sudo'ed or logged in, admin is supposed to use his home directory for
storing something, otherwise it wouldn't be there.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Josip Rodin &lt;joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr&gt;</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.  Copy sent to <code>Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>.


-t

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On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 02:17:03PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > >  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
> > >  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> > > 
> > > maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> > > default.
> > 
> > Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
> > made?
> 
> /root has always been 755.

I haven't seen any of those. All slink installs had it 700, which I
considered to be a sane default.

Anyway, history doesn't really matter with these kind of security issues --
sendmail had loads and loads of root exploits during the last decade, it
doesn't mean it should have them today.

> Some time ago I asked about this and 755 was considered to be good enough
> for /root, see the archives.

Which list?

> Anyway, the root account does not differ so much from an ordinary user
> account, because the admin is usually supposed to do "su" from an
> unprivileged account.

What people should do and what people will do is usually very different.
Besides, what does that have to do with file/directory permissions? Su'ed,
sudo'ed or logged in, admin is supposed to use his home directory for
storing something, otherwise it wouldn't be there.

-- 
Digital Electronic Being Intended for Assassination and Nullification




<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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Well, I haven't followed this thread and I'm not up on all the
security issues.  If there is any action items for boot-floppies
please file an appropriate bug against the package.  Patches would be
nice too.

-- 
.....Adam Di Carlo....adam@onShore.com.....<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>




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-t

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Well, I haven't followed this thread and I'm not up on all the
security issues.  If there is any action items for boot-floppies
please file an appropriate bug against the package.  Patches would be
nice too.

-- 
.....Adam Di Carlo....adam@onShore.com.....<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>




<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#72327: #72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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From: Santiago Vila <sanvila@unex.es>
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On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 02:17:03PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > >  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
> > > >  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> > > > 
> > > > maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> > > > default.
> > > 
> > > Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
> > > made?
> > 
> > /root has always been 755.
> 
> I haven't seen any of those. All slink installs had it 700, which I
> considered to be a sane default.
> 
> Anyway, history doesn't really matter with these kind of security issues --
> sendmail had loads and loads of root exploits during the last decade, it
> doesn't mean it should have them today.

Your comparison is not fair. I repeat that this is not a security
issue, just a *privacy* issue.

> > Some time ago I asked about this and 755 was considered to be good enough
> > for /root, see the archives.
> 
> Which list?

I can't remember exactly. There is a small thread in debian-testing,
in February (Subject: potato /root permissions?), but I did not posted
anything then.

We can start a new thread in debian-devel if you like.





<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Santiago Vila &lt;sanvila@unex.es&gt;</code>:<br>
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-t

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On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Josip Rodin wrote:

> On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 02:17:03PM +0200, Santiago Vila wrote:
> > > >  > $ tar ztvf base2_2.tgz | awk '$6 == "./root/" '
> > > >  > drwxr-xr-x root/root         0 2000-07-05 19:47:09 ./root/
> > > > 
> > > > maybe this changed. At least a have some slink boxes where 700 was the
> > > > default.
> > > 
> > > Indeed, this changed, and that's not good. Why was this gratuitous change
> > > made?
> > 
> > /root has always been 755.
> 
> I haven't seen any of those. All slink installs had it 700, which I
> considered to be a sane default.
> 
> Anyway, history doesn't really matter with these kind of security issues --
> sendmail had loads and loads of root exploits during the last decade, it
> doesn't mean it should have them today.

Your comparison is not fair. I repeat that this is not a security
issue, just a *privacy* issue.

> > Some time ago I asked about this and 755 was considered to be good enough
> > for /root, see the archives.
> 
> Which list?

I can't remember exactly. There is a small thread in debian-testing,
in February (Subject: potato /root permissions?), but I did not posted
anything then.

We can start a new thread in debian-devel if you like.





<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Matthias Klose &lt;doko@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#72327</code>; Package <code>bash</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgMatthias Klose <doko@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#72327: boot-floppies: doesn't install .bash_logout for root (fwd)
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Santiago Vila wrote:
> Well, this is security throught obscurity

Bah, no it's not. I suggest you look up what security terms actually
mean before you bandy them about.

-- 
see shy jo




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