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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgAdam Di Carlo <aph@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#79126: developers-reference: package has unneeded external links
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Package: developers-reference
Version: 2.7.2
Severity: wishlist


Hello,

I think that the load of Debian developer's documentation which is
intertwined quite a bit should be packaged together instead of
separately, and external links should be converted to relative
links so that a local install of these documents can work.
Currently, although I have most if not all these packages installed,
when the text in one package refers to a passage that is in another
package (ie, developers-reference and packaging-manual), then
instead of taking my local copy, my browser tries to go out to
the web. This is annoying and even counterproductive when one is
offline (laptop !). It also makes reading this documentation
from a file system more difficult and tends to demand a running
web server. I actually don't see why/how these documentation
snippets are not forced together, not even by Depends, since
most of it doesn't make sense alone, and tarring all these
together into one package should be easy.

Best Regards,
--Toni++



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<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>Toni Mueller &lt;toni@oeko.net&gt;</code>:<br>
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Package: developers-reference
Version: 2.7.2
Severity: wishlist


Hello,

I think that the load of Debian developer's documentation which is
intertwined quite a bit should be packaged together instead of
separately, and external links should be converted to relative
links so that a local install of these documents can work.
Currently, although I have most if not all these packages installed,
when the text in one package refers to a passage that is in another
package (ie, developers-reference and packaging-manual), then
instead of taking my local copy, my browser tries to go out to
the web. This is annoying and even counterproductive when one is
offline (laptop !). It also makes reading this documentation
from a file system more difficult and tends to demand a running
web server. I actually don't see why/how these documentation
snippets are not forced together, not even by Depends, since
most of it doesn't make sense alone, and tarring all these
together into one package should be easy.

Best Regards,
--Toni++



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<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Adam Di Carlo &lt;aph@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#79126</code>; Package <code>developers-reference</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgAdam Di Carlo <aph@debian.org>

Subject: Bug#79126: developers-reference: package has unneeded external links
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On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:59:58PM -0000, Toni Mueller wrote:
> Package: developers-reference
> Version: 2.7.2
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> I think that the load of Debian developer's documentation which is
> intertwined quite a bit should be packaged together instead of separately,
> and external links should be converted to relative links so that a local
> install of these documents can work.

I don't think this would be very easy to do, due to the fact the documents
are in separate packages and there's no way to adjust the links on run-time
(depending on whether a particular package is installed or not).

> [links to the web site] tends to demand a running web server.

I don't understand, why?

> I actually don't see why/how these documentation snippets are not forced
> together, not even by Depends, since most of it doesn't make sense alone,
> and tarring all these together into one package should be easy.

I'd say that

Recommends: debian-policy, packaging-manual

wouldn't hurt and would help with this. Adam?

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-t

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On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:59:58PM -0000, Toni Mueller wrote:
> Package: developers-reference
> Version: 2.7.2
> Severity: wishlist
> 
> I think that the load of Debian developer's documentation which is
> intertwined quite a bit should be packaged together instead of separately,
> and external links should be converted to relative links so that a local
> install of these documents can work.

I don't think this would be very easy to do, due to the fact the documents
are in separate packages and there's no way to adjust the links on run-time
(depending on whether a particular package is installed or not).

> [links to the web site] tends to demand a running web server.

I don't understand, why?

> I actually don't see why/how these documentation snippets are not forced
> together, not even by Depends, since most of it doesn't make sense alone,
> and tarring all these together into one package should be easy.

I'd say that

Recommends: debian-policy, packaging-manual

wouldn't hurt and would help with this. Adam?

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<strong>Information forwarded</strong> to <code>debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Adam Di Carlo &lt;aph@debian.org&gt;</code>:<br>
<code>Bug#79126</code>; Package <code>developers-reference</code>.


debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgAdam Di Carlo <aph@debian.org>

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reassign 79126 doc-base
thanks

Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> writes:

> On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:59:58PM -0000, Toni Mueller wrote:
> > I think that the load of Debian developer's documentation which is
> > intertwined quite a bit should be packaged together instead of separately,
> > and external links should be converted to relative links so that a local
> > install of these documents can work.
> 
> I don't think this would be very easy to do, due to the fact the documents
> are in separate packages and there's no way to adjust the links on run-time
> (depending on whether a particular package is installed or not).

I agree.  I wish I wasn't maintaining boot-floppies, so I could work
out a system to facilitate this user's need.

For now, I'm reassigning this bug to doc-base, which is the only
conherent way to handle it, I think.

> > [links to the web site] tends to demand a running web server.
> 
> I don't understand, why?
> 
> > I actually don't see why/how these documentation snippets are not forced
> > together, not even by Depends, since most of it doesn't make sense alone,
> > and tarring all these together into one package should be easy.
> 
> I'd say that
> 
> Recommends: debian-policy, packaging-manual
> 
> wouldn't hurt and would help with this. Adam?

Sounds good.  I shall make it so.

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reassign 79126 doc-base
thanks

Josip Rodin <joy@cibalia.gkvk.hr> writes:

> On Fri, Dec 08, 2000 at 09:59:58PM -0000, Toni Mueller wrote:
> > I think that the load of Debian developer's documentation which is
> > intertwined quite a bit should be packaged together instead of separately,
> > and external links should be converted to relative links so that a local
> > install of these documents can work.
> 
> I don't think this would be very easy to do, due to the fact the documents
> are in separate packages and there's no way to adjust the links on run-time
> (depending on whether a particular package is installed or not).

I agree.  I wish I wasn't maintaining boot-floppies, so I could work
out a system to facilitate this user's need.

For now, I'm reassigning this bug to doc-base, which is the only
conherent way to handle it, I think.

> > [links to the web site] tends to demand a running web server.
> 
> I don't understand, why?
> 
> > I actually don't see why/how these documentation snippets are not forced
> > together, not even by Depends, since most of it doesn't make sense alone,
> > and tarring all these together into one package should be easy.
> 
> I'd say that
> 
> Recommends: debian-policy, packaging-manual
> 
> wouldn't hurt and would help with this. Adam?

Sounds good.  I shall make it so.

-- 
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<strong>Bug reassigned from package `developers-reference' to `doc-base'.</strong>
Request was from <code>Adam Di Carlo &lt;adam@onshore.com&gt;</code>
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