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Hi!
The retry logic of exim (at least the one caused by eximconfig retry rule)
is not very well designed for people who connect to the Internet only occasionally.
For example, assume I write an email to someone and I don't mind if it stays
in the queue until I use my dial up next time. If I forget to call for some
time, I get the warning messages and then finally the mail is returned.
OK, that's not the problem. The real problem is caused by the following exim
behavior (quoted from oview.txt):
When the maximum time for retrying has passed,
pending addresses are failed. However, a next try
time is still computed from the final subrule.
Until that time is reached, any new messages for
the address are immediately failed. When the next
try time is passed, one further delivery attempt is
made; if this fails, a new next try time is
computed, and so on.
You see? This means that once I get the mail bounced, all mail for that
address is bounced immediately. And as I use dial up only when necessary
(i.e., not on "computer's" demand), the chance that my computer will be able
to connect during the next cycle (8 hours in default config) is almost zero.
So, the only way out of this is to delete the retry database, which is not
very comfortable for casual user, is it?
Note that this is not a theoretical example, it has really happened.
May be the author should consider implementing some way of disabling this
feature in the retry rule.
Patrik
P.S. Maybe this is the reason for events described in #38723 too.
-- System Information
Debian Release: potato
Kernel Version: Linux eagle 2.0.36 #3 Mon Mar 22 10:52:34 CET 1999 i586 unknown
Versions of the packages exim depends on:
ii cron 3.0pl1-51 management of regular background processing
ii libc6 2.1.1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and timezone
ii libident 0.22-1 simple RFC1413 client library - runtime
ii libpcre2 2.05-1 Philip Hazel's Perl Compatible Regular Expre
--- Begin /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim (modified conffile)
Config file not present or no permissions for access
--- End /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim
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From: Patrik Rak
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Hi!
The retry logic of exim (at least the one caused by eximconfig retry rule)
is not very well designed for people who connect to the Internet only occasionally.
For example, assume I write an email to someone and I don't mind if it stays
in the queue until I use my dial up next time. If I forget to call for some
time, I get the warning messages and then finally the mail is returned.
OK, that's not the problem. The real problem is caused by the following exim
behavior (quoted from oview.txt):
When the maximum time for retrying has passed,
pending addresses are failed. However, a next try
time is still computed from the final subrule.
Until that time is reached, any new messages for
the address are immediately failed. When the next
try time is passed, one further delivery attempt is
made; if this fails, a new next try time is
computed, and so on.
You see? This means that once I get the mail bounced, all mail for that
address is bounced immediately. And as I use dial up only when necessary
(i.e., not on "computer's" demand), the chance that my computer will be able
to connect during the next cycle (8 hours in default config) is almost zero.
So, the only way out of this is to delete the retry database, which is not
very comfortable for casual user, is it?
Note that this is not a theoretical example, it has really happened.
May be the author should consider implementing some way of disabling this
feature in the retry rule.
Patrik
P.S. Maybe this is the reason for events described in #38723 too.
-- System Information
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Kernel Version: Linux eagle 2.0.36 #3 Mon Mar 22 10:52:34 CET 1999 i586 unknown
Versions of the packages exim depends on:
ii cron 3.0pl1-51 management of regular background processing
ii libc6 2.1.1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and timezone
ii libident 0.22-1 simple RFC1413 client library - runtime
ii libpcre2 2.05-1 Philip Hazel's Perl Compatible Regular Expre
--- Begin /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim (modified conffile)
Config file not present or no permissions for access
--- End /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim
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hi
I happened to read that bug; I am not completely sure of
what the bug description means , but I can tell what I experience.
I use exim, and I use Internet thru a dial up connection.
When I send a mail, indeed it usually cannot be delivered immediately
(since I am, most of the time, off-line): so , exim sets a
"retry time".
But, when I connect (I use "pon provider" , that calls pppd, that
calls "/etc/ppp/ip-up" which in turns executes all scripts
like /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim)
then the script /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim calls "exim -qf" :
this command forces exim to retry all pending messages
(regardless of the time passed).
So, exim works quite ok for me.
If (as I suppose) Patrik Rak is not using pppd to connect, then
the bug should be probably reformulated like this :
"other PtP programs should use ip-up by default, for exim to work ok "
(and, it is not an exim bug)
thanks for your attention
a.m.
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hi
I happened to read that bug; I am not completely sure of
what the bug description means , but I can tell what I experience.
I use exim, and I use Internet thru a dial up connection.
When I send a mail, indeed it usually cannot be delivered immediately
(since I am, most of the time, off-line): so , exim sets a
"retry time".
But, when I connect (I use "pon provider" , that calls pppd, that
calls "/etc/ppp/ip-up" which in turns executes all scripts
like /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim)
then the script /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim calls "exim -qf" :
this command forces exim to retry all pending messages
(regardless of the time passed).
So, exim works quite ok for me.
If (as I suppose) Patrik Rak is not using pppd to connect, then
the bug should be probably reformulated like this :
"other PtP programs should use ip-up by default, for exim to work ok "
(and, it is not an exim bug)
thanks for your attention
a.m.
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On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 04:16:41PM +0100, Andrea Mennucci wrote:
> I use exim, and I use Internet thru a dial up connection.
So do I.
> When I send a mail, indeed it usually cannot be delivered immediately
> (since I am, most of the time, off-line): so , exim sets a
> "retry time".
>
> But, when I connect (I use "pon provider" , that calls pppd, that
> calls "/etc/ppp/ip-up" which in turns executes all scripts
> like /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim)
> then the script /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim calls "exim -qf" :
> this command forces exim to retry all pending messages
> (regardless of the time passed).
Yes, that's what I do, too.
> So, exim works quite ok for me.
> If (as I suppose) Patrik Rak is not using pppd to connect, then
> the bug should be probably reformulated like this :
> "other PtP programs should use ip-up by default, for exim to work ok "
> (and, it is not an exim bug)
Most of them do already.
What Patrik is complaining about it slightly more subtle than that. If the
maximum retry time (4 days) passes then it will bounce the message, and
bounce subsequent messages to the same address, until it next successfully
connects to that host. However, I would think it rather unlikely that it
will get to 4 days without successfully connecting, so I don't think it's a
serious problem that the behaviour isn't ideal in this case.
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On Fri, Dec 17, 1999 at 04:16:41PM +0100, Andrea Mennucci wrote:
> I use exim, and I use Internet thru a dial up connection.
So do I.
> When I send a mail, indeed it usually cannot be delivered immediately
> (since I am, most of the time, off-line): so , exim sets a
> "retry time".
>
> But, when I connect (I use "pon provider" , that calls pppd, that
> calls "/etc/ppp/ip-up" which in turns executes all scripts
> like /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim)
> then the script /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/exim calls "exim -qf" :
> this command forces exim to retry all pending messages
> (regardless of the time passed).
Yes, that's what I do, too.
> So, exim works quite ok for me.
> If (as I suppose) Patrik Rak is not using pppd to connect, then
> the bug should be probably reformulated like this :
> "other PtP programs should use ip-up by default, for exim to work ok "
> (and, it is not an exim bug)
Most of them do already.
What Patrik is complaining about it slightly more subtle than that. If the
maximum retry time (4 days) passes then it will bounce the message, and
bounce subsequent messages to the same address, until it next successfully
connects to that host. However, I would think it rather unlikely that it
will get to 4 days without successfully connecting, so I don't think it's a
serious problem that the behaviour isn't ideal in this case.
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On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Andrea Mennucci wrote:
> I happened to read that bug; I am not completely sure of
> what the bug description means , but I can tell what I experience.
...
> If (as I suppose) Patrik Rak is not using pppd to connect, then
> the bug should be probably reformulated like this :
> "other PtP programs should use ip-up by default, for exim to work ok "
> (and, it is not an exim bug)
Of course I use pppd, and it runs exim -qf for me as well.
Please re-read the original bug report. The problem is if mail to some
host is bounced because I do not dial up within 8 days (or whatever the
limit is), mail for that host keeps bouncing immediately since then.
Patrik
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On Fri, 17 Dec 1999, Andrea Mennucci wrote:
> I happened to read that bug; I am not completely sure of
> what the bug description means , but I can tell what I experience.
...
> If (as I suppose) Patrik Rak is not using pppd to connect, then
> the bug should be probably reformulated like this :
> "other PtP programs should use ip-up by default, for exim to work ok "
> (and, it is not an exim bug)
Of course I use pppd, and it runs exim -qf for me as well.
Please re-read the original bug report. The problem is if mail to some
host is bounced because I do not dial up within 8 days (or whatever the
limit is), mail for that host keeps bouncing immediately since then.
Patrik
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On Friday, June 18, 1999 5:44 PM, Patrik Rak wrote:
> The retry logic of exim (at least the one caused by eximconfig retry
> rule)
> is not very well designed for people who connect to the Internet only
> occasionally.
Upstream development on exim 3 stopped over three years ago, and it is no
longer Debian's default MTA. The behaviour discussed in this bug report is
never going to change / be fixed in the Debian packages, so I'm tagging the
report to indicate that.
Regards,
Adam
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On Friday, June 18, 1999 5:44 PM, Patrik Rak wrote:
> The retry logic of exim (at least the one caused by eximconfig retry
> rule)
> is not very well designed for people who connect to the Internet only
> occasionally.
Upstream development on exim 3 stopped over three years ago, and it is no
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never going to change / be fixed in the Debian packages, so I'm tagging the
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Regards,
Adam
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Hi!
The retry logic of exim (at least the one caused by eximconfig retry rule)
is not very well designed for people who connect to the Internet only occasionally.
For example, assume I write an email to someone and I don't mind if it stays
in the queue until I use my dial up next time. If I forget to call for some
time, I get the warning messages and then finally the mail is returned.
OK, that's not the problem. The real problem is caused by the following exim
behavior (quoted from oview.txt):
When the maximum time for retrying has passed,
pending addresses are failed. However, a next try
time is still computed from the final subrule.
Until that time is reached, any new messages for
the address are immediately failed. When the next
try time is passed, one further delivery attempt is
made; if this fails, a new next try time is
computed, and so on.
You see? This means that once I get the mail bounced, all mail for that
address is bounced immediately. And as I use dial up only when necessary
(i.e., not on "computer's" demand), the chance that my computer will be able
to connect during the next cycle (8 hours in default config) is almost zero.
So, the only way out of this is to delete the retry database, which is not
very comfortable for casual user, is it?
Note that this is not a theoretical example, it has really happened.
May be the author should consider implementing some way of disabling this
feature in the retry rule.
Patrik
P.S. Maybe this is the reason for events described in #38723 too.
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ii libc6 2.1.1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and timezone
ii libident 0.22-1 simple RFC1413 client library - runtime
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Hi!
The retry logic of exim (at least the one caused by eximconfig retry rule)
is not very well designed for people who connect to the Internet only occasionally.
For example, assume I write an email to someone and I don't mind if it stays
in the queue until I use my dial up next time. If I forget to call for some
time, I get the warning messages and then finally the mail is returned.
OK, that's not the problem. The real problem is caused by the following exim
behavior (quoted from oview.txt):
When the maximum time for retrying has passed,
pending addresses are failed. However, a next try
time is still computed from the final subrule.
Until that time is reached, any new messages for
the address are immediately failed. When the next
try time is passed, one further delivery attempt is
made; if this fails, a new next try time is
computed, and so on.
You see? This means that once I get the mail bounced, all mail for that
address is bounced immediately. And as I use dial up only when necessary
(i.e., not on "computer's" demand), the chance that my computer will be able
to connect during the next cycle (8 hours in default config) is almost zero.
So, the only way out of this is to delete the retry database, which is not
very comfortable for casual user, is it?
Note that this is not a theoretical example, it has really happened.
May be the author should consider implementing some way of disabling this
feature in the retry rule.
Patrik
P.S. Maybe this is the reason for events described in #38723 too.
-- System Information
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Versions of the packages exim depends on:
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ii libc6 2.1.1-12 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and timezone
ii libident 0.22-1 simple RFC1413 client library - runtime
ii libpcre2 2.05-1 Philip Hazel's Perl Compatible Regular Expre
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