Report forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Steve Greenland <stevegr@master.debian.org>:
Bug#37925; Package jargon.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSteve Greenland
Subject: Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency
Reply-To: bridgett@hursley.ibm.com, 37925@bugs.debian.org
Resent-From: Adrian Bridgett
Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org
Resent-CC: Steve Greenland
Resent-Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 14:03:39 GMT
Resent-Message-ID:
Resent-Sender: iwj@debian.org
X-Debian-PR-Message: report 37925
X-Debian-PR-Package: jargon
X-Debian-PR-Keywords:
X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org
Received: via spool by bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B.92703609725533
(code B ref -1); Tue, 18 May 1999 14:03:39 GMT
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:01:03 +0100
From: Adrian Bridgett
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Message-ID: <19990518150103.A2804@wyvern.hursley.ibm.com>
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i
Package: jargon
Version: 4.0.0-3
Severity: wishlist
rc:
:rc file: /R-C fi:l/ /n./ [Unix: from runcom files' on
the {CTSS} system ca.1955, via the startup script
ctss:
:CTSS: /C-T-S-S/ /n./ Compatible Time-Sharing System. An
early (1963) experiment in the design of interactive time-sharing
1955 or 1963?
Cheers
Adrian
Adrian Bridgett
Internal: 7-245528 External: 01962-815528
Acknowledgement sent to bridgett@hursley.ibm.com:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Steve Greenland <stevegr@master.debian.org>.
-t
From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: bridgett@hursley.ibm.com
Subject: Bug#37925: Acknowledgement (jargon: inconsistency)
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To: <19990518150103.A2804@wyvern.hursley.ibm.com>
References: <19990518150103.A2804@wyvern.hursley.ibm.com>
X-Debian-PR-Message: ack 37925
Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian.
This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message has
been received. It is being forwarded to the developers' mailing list for
their attention; they will reply in due course.
Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):
Steve Greenland
If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send
it to 37925@bugs.debian.org (and *not* to
bugs@bugs.debian.org).
Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message,
unless you wish to report a problem with the bug-tracking system.
Ian Jackson
(administrator, Debian bugs database)
Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 18 May 1999 14:01:37 +0000
Received: (qmail 25524 invoked from network); 18 May 1999 14:01:36 -0000
Received: from mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (194.196.110.15)
by master.debian.org with SMTP; 18 May 1999 14:01:36 -0000
Received: from sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.45.21]) by mail-gw.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA32932 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:01:07 +0100
Received: from wyvern (wyvern.hursley.ibm.com [9.20.10.91]) by sp3at21.hursley.ibm.com (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id PAA17778 for ; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:01:03 +0100 (BST)
Received: from bridgett by wyvern with local (Exim 2.11 #1 (Debian))
id 10jkQZ-0000jN-00; Tue, 18 May 1999 15:01:03 +0100
Date: Tue, 18 May 1999 15:01:03 +0100
From: Adrian Bridgett
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: jargon: inconsistency
Message-ID: <19990518150103.A2804@wyvern.hursley.ibm.com>
Reply-To: bridgett@hursley.ibm.com
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i
Package: jargon
Version: 4.0.0-3
Severity: wishlist
rc:
:rc file: /R-C fi:l/ /n./ [Unix: from runcom files' on
the {CTSS} system ca.1955, via the startup script
ctss:
:CTSS: /C-T-S-S/ /n./ Compatible Time-Sharing System. An
early (1963) experiment in the design of interactive time-sharing
1955 or 1963?
Cheers
Adrian
Adrian Bridgett
Internal: 7-245528 External: 01962-815528
Noted your statement that Bug has been forwarded to jargon@thyrsus.org.
Request was from Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>
to control@bugs.debian.org.
Received: (at control) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Sep 1999 19:38:48 +0000
Received: (qmail 5848 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:38:48 -0000
Received: from adsl-216-62-159-106.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO molehole.sg) (mail@216.62.159.106)
by master.debian.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:38:48 -0000
Received: from steveg by molehole.sg with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian))
id 11VK8F-0006zy-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:38:47 -0500
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:38:47 -0500
From: Steve Greenland
To: control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: forwarded 37925 jargon@thyrsus.org
Message-ID: <19990926143846.A26893@molehole>
Reply-To: Steve Greenland
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i
Organization: Not my strong point
Sender: Steve Greenland
forwarded 37925 jargon@thyrsus.org
--
Steve Greenland
Forwarded-to-address changed from jargon@thyrsus.org to jargon@thyrsus.com.
Request was from Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>
to control@bugs.debian.org.
Received: (at control) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Sep 1999 19:41:04 +0000
Received: (qmail 19350 invoked from network); 26 Sep 1999 19:41:04 -0000
Received: from adsl-216-62-159-106.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net (HELO molehole.sg) (mail@216.62.159.106)
by master.debian.org with SMTP; 26 Sep 1999 19:41:04 -0000
Received: from steveg by molehole.sg with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian))
id 11VKAQ-00070D-00; Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:41:02 -0500
Date: Sun, 26 Sep 1999 14:41:02 -0500
From: Steve Greenland
To: control@bugs.debian.org
Subject: forwarded 37925 jargon@thyrsus.com
Message-ID: <19990926144102.B26893@molehole>
Reply-To: Steve Greenland
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i
Organization: Not my strong point
Sender: Steve Greenland
forwarded 37925 jargon@thyrsus.com
--
Steve Greenland
Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>:
Bug#37925; Package jargon.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSteve Greenland
Subject: Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency
Reply-To: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk, 37925@bugs.debian.org
Resent-From: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Orignal-Sender: pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk
Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org
Resent-CC: Steve Greenland
Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:03:31 GMT
Resent-Message-ID:
Resent-Sender: owner@bugs.debian.org
X-Debian-PR-Message: report 37925
X-Debian-PR-Package: jargon
X-Debian-PR-Keywords:
X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org
Received: via spool by 37925-bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B37925.98554583722609
(code B ref 37925); Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:03:31 GMT
To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
From: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:43:29 +0100
Sender: pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk
Message-Id:
Delivered-To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
Adrian Bridgett wrote: (in May 1999)
>:rc file: /R-C fi:l/ /n./ [Unix: from runcom files' on
> the {CTSS} system ca.1955, via the startup script
>:CTSS: /C-T-S-S/ /n./ Compatible Time-Sharing System. An
> early (1963) experiment in the design of interactive time-sharing
>
>1955 or 1963?
I just thought I'd point out that this inconsistency has
been fixed in version 4.2.3 of the jargon file, so if
the debian package ever gets updated to the new version
this bug could be closed.
(I'm aware that upstream has dropped the info format;
I think it would probably be a good idea for the debian package
to generate it from the upstream master sources anyway.)
Peter Maydell
[the CTSS entry was correct...]
Acknowledgement sent to pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>.
-t
From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Subject: Bug#37925: Info received (was jargon: inconsistency)
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To:
References:
X-Debian-PR-Message: ack-info-maintonly 37925
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developer(s) and
to the developers mailing list to accompany the original report.
Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):
Steve Greenland
If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem,
please send it to 37925@bugs.debian.org, as before.
Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message,
unless you wish to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system.
Darren Benham
(administrator, Debian Bugs database)
Received: (at 37925) by bugs.debian.org; 25 Mar 2001 18:43:57 +0000
From pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk Sun Mar 25 12:43:57 2001
Return-path:
Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]
by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
id 14hFUb-0005sa-00; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 12:43:57 -0600
Received: from watchdragon.demon.co.uk ([158.152.121.201])
by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1)
id 14hFUX-00082k-0A
for 37925@bugs.debian.org; Sun, 25 Mar 2001 18:43:53 +0000
Received: from localhost (mnementh.local) [127.0.0.1]
by watchdragon.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1)
id 14hFUS-0001gC-00 (Debian); Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:43:48 +0100
To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
From: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Subject: Re: jargon: inconsistency
Date: Sun, 25 Mar 2001 19:43:29 +0100
Sender: pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk
Message-Id:
Delivered-To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
Adrian Bridgett wrote: (in May 1999)
>:rc file: /R-C fi:l/ /n./ [Unix: from runcom files' on
> the {CTSS} system ca.1955, via the startup script
>:CTSS: /C-T-S-S/ /n./ Compatible Time-Sharing System. An
> early (1963) experiment in the design of interactive time-sharing
>
>1955 or 1963?
I just thought I'd point out that this inconsistency has
been fixed in version 4.2.3 of the jargon file, so if
the debian package ever gets updated to the new version
this bug could be closed.
(I'm aware that upstream has dropped the info format;
I think it would probably be a good idea for the debian package
to generate it from the upstream master sources anyway.)
Peter Maydell
[the CTSS entry was correct...]
Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org:
Bug#37925; Package jargon.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org
Subject: Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency
Reply-To: Steve Greenland , 37925@bugs.debian.org
Resent-From: Steve Greenland
Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org
Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:10:42 GMT
Resent-Message-ID:
Resent-Sender: owner@bugs.debian.org
X-Debian-PR-Message: report 37925
X-Debian-PR-Package: jargon
X-Debian-PR-Keywords:
X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org
Received: via spool by 37925-bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B37925.98562902619990
(code B ref 37925); Mon, 26 Mar 2001 19:10:42 GMT
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:19 -0600
From: Steve Greenland
To: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk, 37925@bugs.debian.org
Message-ID: <20010326115019.E8746@molehole.moregruel.net>
References:
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i
In-Reply-To: ; from pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 07:43:29PM +0100
Organization: Not my strong point
Mail-Copies-To: never
Delivered-To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
On 25-Mar-01, 12:43 (CST), pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
> I just thought I'd point out that this inconsistency has
> been fixed in version 4.2.3 of the jargon file, so if
> the debian package ever gets updated to the new version
> this bug could be closed.
>
> (I'm aware that upstream has dropped the info format;
> I think it would probably be a good idea for the debian package
> to generate it from the upstream master sources anyway.)
Last time I checked (> 6months ago) the master sources would not build
info format, nor did ESR seem at all interested in fixing that. I'll
look again...
Steve
--
Steve Greenland
Acknowledgement sent to Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list.
-t
From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: Steve Greenland
Subject: Bug#37925: Info received (was Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency)
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To: <20010326115019.E8746@molehole.moregruel.net>
References: <20010326115019.E8746@molehole.moregruel.net>
X-Debian-PR-Message: ack-info-maintonly 37925
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developer(s) and
to the developers mailing list to accompany the original report.
If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem,
please send it to 37925@bugs.debian.org, as before.
Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message,
unless you wish to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system.
Darren Benham
(administrator, Debian Bugs database)
Received: (at 37925) by bugs.debian.org; 26 Mar 2001 17:50:26 +0000
From steveg@molehole.dyndns.org Mon Mar 26 11:50:26 2001
Return-path:
Received: from 206.180.143.9.adsl.hal-pc.org (molehole.moregruel.net) [206.180.143.9]
by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
id 14hb8M-0005CG-00; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:26 -0600
Received: from speedy.private [192.168.1.2] (postfix)
by molehole.moregruel.net with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian))
id 14hb8H-0005Gb-00; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:21 -0600
Received: by speedy.private (Postfix, from userid 1000)
id C90614709; Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:19 -0600 (CST)
Date: Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:19 -0600
From: Steve Greenland
To: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk, 37925@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency
Message-ID: <20010326115019.E8746@molehole.moregruel.net>
Reply-To: Steve Greenland
References:
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Disposition: inline
User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.15i
In-Reply-To: ; from pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk on Sun, Mar 25, 2001 at 07:43:29PM +0100
Organization: Not my strong point
Mail-Copies-To: never
Delivered-To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
On 25-Mar-01, 12:43 (CST), pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
> I just thought I'd point out that this inconsistency has
> been fixed in version 4.2.3 of the jargon file, so if
> the debian package ever gets updated to the new version
> this bug could be closed.
>
> (I'm aware that upstream has dropped the info format;
> I think it would probably be a good idea for the debian package
> to generate it from the upstream master sources anyway.)
Last time I checked (> 6months ago) the master sources would not build
info format, nor did ESR seem at all interested in fixing that. I'll
look again...
Steve
--
Steve Greenland
Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>:
Bug#37925; Package jargon.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgSteve Greenland
Subject: Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency
Reply-To: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk, 37925@bugs.debian.org
Resent-From: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Orignal-Sender: pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk
Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org
Resent-CC: Steve Greenland
Resent-Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:03:27 GMT
Resent-Message-ID:
Resent-Sender: owner@bugs.debian.org
X-Debian-PR-Message: report 37925
X-Debian-PR-Package: jargon
X-Debian-PR-Keywords:
X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org
Received: via spool by 37925-bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B37925.98572651613146
(code B ref 37925); Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:03:27 GMT
To: Steve Greenland
cc: 37925@bugs.debian.org
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:19 MDT."
<20010326115019.E8746@molehole.moregruel.net>
From: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:55:06 +0100
Sender: pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk
Message-Id:
Delivered-To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
Steve Greenland wrote:
>On 25-Mar-01, 12:43 (CST), pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
>> (I'm aware that upstream has dropped the info format;
>> I think it would probably be a good idea for the debian package
>> to generate it from the upstream master sources anyway.)
>
>Last time I checked (> 6months ago) the master sources would not build
>info format, nor did ESR seem at all interested in fixing that. I'll
>look again...
You need to:
(1) untar the upstream sources
(2) make sure the AWK variables in Makefile and scripts
point to a working awk
(3) comment out the reference in Makefile to dlgen.sh
[this script was omitted from upstream sources by mistake;
ESR has sent me a copy but since it's only used to create
a download.html page, the simplest thing is just to not call it]
(4) add the following to the Makefile somewhere:
infodist: jarg$(VERS).info
jarg$(VERS).info: jarg$(VERS).gz
makeinfo --no-split jargon.tex --output $@
(5) run "make infodist"
[NB: make -n won't work because ESR has said "make" where he
meant "$(MAKE)" in several places in Makefile.]
This will give you a jarg423.info which is correct. However,
it has nasty 'rivers' in it because makeinfo doesn't roll
multiple spaces into a single space when refilling a paragraph.
I think this is a bug in makeinfo, personally; we either need
to fix that or put some sort of filter in to deal with this
locally.
[While we're filtering the input to makeinfo we could
possibly make it actually put in hyperlinks for cross
references to other nodes, and remove dodgy characters
from node names; cf Bug 48599.]
Also, since the make process writes to some of the upstream
sources it would probably be sensible for a debian package
to create temporary copies and run make on those, so
debian/rules build; debian/rules clean; debian/rules build
works properly.
Peter Maydell
Acknowledgement sent to pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Steve Greenland <stevegr@debian.org>.
-t
From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Subject: Bug#37925: Info received (was Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency)
Message-ID:
In-Reply-To:
References:
X-Debian-PR-Message: ack-info-maintonly 37925
Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
this problem report. It has been forwarded to the developer(s) and
to the developers mailing list to accompany the original report.
Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s):
Steve Greenland
If you wish to continue to submit further information on your problem,
please send it to 37925@bugs.debian.org, as before.
Please do not reply to the address at the top of this message,
unless you wish to report a problem with the Bug-tracking system.
Darren Benham
(administrator, Debian Bugs database)
Received: (at 37925) by bugs.debian.org; 27 Mar 2001 20:55:16 +0000
From pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 27 14:55:16 2001
Return-path:
Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]
by master.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 3.12 1 (Debian))
id 14i0Um-0003Pg-00; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 14:55:16 -0600
Received: from watchdragon.demon.co.uk ([158.152.121.201])
by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1)
id 14i0Uh-000Ktg-0B; Tue, 27 Mar 2001 20:55:11 +0000
Received: from localhost (mnementh.local) [127.0.0.1]
by watchdragon.demon.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1)
id 14i0Uf-0002Qe-00 (Debian); Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:55:09 +0100
To: Steve Greenland
cc: 37925@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Re: Bug#37925: jargon: inconsistency
In-reply-to: Your message of "Mon, 26 Mar 2001 11:50:19 MDT."
<20010326115019.E8746@molehole.moregruel.net>
From: pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk
Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:55:06 +0100
Sender: pm215@watchdragon.demon.co.uk
Message-Id:
Delivered-To: 37925@bugs.debian.org
Steve Greenland wrote:
>On 25-Mar-01, 12:43 (CST), pmaydell@chiark.greenend.org.uk wrote:
>> (I'm aware that upstream has dropped the info format;
>> I think it would probably be a good idea for the debian package
>> to generate it from the upstream master sources anyway.)
>
>Last time I checked (> 6months ago) the master sources would not build
>info format, nor did ESR seem at all interested in fixing that. I'll
>look again...
You need to:
(1) untar the upstream sources
(2) make sure the AWK variables in Makefile and scripts
point to a working awk
(3) comment out the reference in Makefile to dlgen.sh
[this script was omitted from upstream sources by mistake;
ESR has sent me a copy but since it's only used to create
a download.html page, the simplest thing is just to not call it]
(4) add the following to the Makefile somewhere:
infodist: jarg$(VERS).info
jarg$(VERS).info: jarg$(VERS).gz
makeinfo --no-split jargon.tex --output $@
(5) run "make infodist"
[NB: make -n won't work because ESR has said "make" where he
meant "$(MAKE)" in several places in Makefile.]
This will give you a jarg423.info which is correct. However,
it has nasty 'rivers' in it because makeinfo doesn't roll
multiple spaces into a single space when refilling a paragraph.
I think this is a bug in makeinfo, personally; we either need
to fix that or put some sort of filter in to deal with this
locally.
[While we're filtering the input to makeinfo we could
possibly make it actually put in hyperlinks for cross
references to other nodes, and remove dodgy characters
from node names; cf Bug 48599.]
Also, since the make process writes to some of the upstream
sources it would probably be sensible for a debian package
to create temporary copies and run make on those, so
debian/rules build; debian/rules clean; debian/rules build
works properly.
Peter Maydell