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Bug#61011; Package shellutils.   debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgWichert Akkerman  Subject: Bug#61011: manpage/info-file for 'date' should explain difference between hardware clock and system clock Reply-To: Sebastian.Leske@bigfoot.de, 61011@bugs.debian.org Resent-From: Sebastian Leske Resent-To: debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org Resent-CC: Wichert Akkerman Resent-Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:03:03 GMT Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: owner@bugs.debian.org X-Debian-PR-Message: report 61011 X-Debian-PR-Package: shellutils X-Debian-PR-Keywords: X-Loop: owner@bugs.debian.org Received: via spool by bugs@bugs.debian.org id=B.95383082430625 (code B ref -1); Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:03:03 GMT From: Sebastian Leske To: submit@bugs.debian.org Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:34:23 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00032318002101.19139@enterprise> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Package: shellutils Version: 2.0-4 Severity: wishlist If you are not familiar with the fact that Linux on i386 has *two* clocks (the system clock maintained by the kernel and the hardware clock in a chip on your motherboard), the documentation for the 'date' command is somewhat confusing. The term 'system clock' is used throughout these documents, but without explaining what it refers to. IMHO it would therefore be a good idea to include a short remark explaining what is meant by 'system clock'. Maybe you could insert something like the following: (just a proposal) into the manpage date (1) old: DESCRIPTION Display the current time in the given FORMAT, or set the system date. new: DESCRIPTION Display the current time in the given FORMAT, or set the system date as maintained by the kernel. This command does not affect the hardware clock (or 'bios' clock); use the hwclock command for doing that. and add under 'SEE ALSO': SEE ALSO [...] hwclock (8) for manipulating the hardware ('bios') clock and equivalent changes in the info pages.   Acknowledgement sent to Sebastian.Leske@bigfoot.de:
New Bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to Wichert Akkerman <wakkerma@debian.org>.   -t  From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System) To: Sebastian.Leske@bigfoot.de Subject: Bug#61011: Acknowledgement (manpage/info-file for 'date' should explain difference between hardware clock and system clock) Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <00032318002101.19139@enterprise> References: <00032318002101.19139@enterprise> X-Debian-PR-Message: ack 61011 Thank you for the problem report you have sent regarding Debian. This is an automatically generated reply, to let you know your message has been received. It is being forwarded to the developers mailing list for their attention; they will reply in due course. Your message has been sent to the package maintainer(s): Wichert Akkerman If you wish to submit further information on your problem, please send it to 61011@bugs.debian.org (and *not* to bugs@bugs.debian.org). 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Darren Benham (administrator, Debian Bugs database)   Received: (at submit) by bugs.debian.org; 23 Mar 2000 17:00:24 +0000 Received: (qmail 30623 invoked from network); 23 Mar 2000 17:00:23 -0000 Received: from enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de (sleske@132.252.65.5) by master.debian.org with SMTP; 23 Mar 2000 17:00:23 -0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by enterprise.mathematik.uni-essen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA19424 for submit@bugs.debian.org; Thu, 23 Mar 2000 18:00:21 +0100 From: Sebastian Leske Reply-To: Sebastian.Leske@bigfoot.de To: submit@bugs.debian.org Subject: manpage/info-file for 'date' should explain difference between hardware clock and system clock Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 17:34:23 +0100 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.21] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <00032318002101.19139@enterprise> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Package: shellutils Version: 2.0-4 Severity: wishlist If you are not familiar with the fact that Linux on i386 has *two* clocks (the system clock maintained by the kernel and the hardware clock in a chip on your motherboard), the documentation for the 'date' command is somewhat confusing. The term 'system clock' is used throughout these documents, but without explaining what it refers to. IMHO it would therefore be a good idea to include a short remark explaining what is meant by 'system clock'. Maybe you could insert something like the following: (just a proposal) into the manpage date (1) old: DESCRIPTION Display the current time in the given FORMAT, or set the system date. new: DESCRIPTION Display the current time in the given FORMAT, or set the system date as maintained by the kernel. This command does not affect the hardware clock (or 'bios' clock); use the hwclock command for doing that. and add under 'SEE ALSO': SEE ALSO [...] hwclock (8) for manipulating the hardware ('bios') clock and equivalent changes in the info pages.   Tags added: wontfix Request was from Thomas Hood <jdthood@yahoo.co.uk> to control@bugs.debian.org.   Received: (at control) by bugs.debian.org; 23 Dec 2005 22:50:41 +0000 From jdthood@yahoo.co.uk Fri Dec 23 14:50:40 2005 Return-path: Received: from smtp-out1.tiscali.nl ([195.241.79.176]) by spohr.debian.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EpvkG-0002CW-8O for control@bugs.debian.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 14:50:40 -0800 Received: from [82.171.132.56] (helo=82-171-132-56.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl) by smtp-out1.tiscali.nl with esmtp (Tiscali http://www.tiscali.nl) id 1EpvkF-00048z-T9 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:50:39 +0100 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by 82-171-132-56.dsl.ip.tiscali.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96409BFA67 for ; Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:50:32 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <43AC7F38.9040704@yahoo.co.uk> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2005 23:50:32 +0100 From: Thomas Hood User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051013) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: control@bugs.debian.org Subject: housekeeping X-Enigmail-Version: 0.92.1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Delivered-To: control@bugs.debian.org X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on spohr.debian.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.0 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_00,ONEWORD, VALID_BTS_CONTROL autolearn=no version=2.60-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 tags 68921 wontfix tags 61011 wontfix merge 224673 55218 tags 69432 wontfix severity 270139 normal merge 270139 317503 merge 162921 97260 merge 173065 146208 tags 132477 patch merge 68603 132477 tags 283638 wontfix tags 263386 wontfix retitle 255678 coreutils: du: Please implement sorted (by size) output option tags 251952 wontfix tags 341912 confirmed upstream tags 261552 wontfix tags 214975 wontfix stop 68921: Users shouldn't ask coreutils maintainers to put work into recognizing options after signed integer operands 61011: date(1) is certainly not the place to discuss architecture dependent issues such as clock implementations. 69432: Maintainer has said he won't fix 283638: Utterly trivial 263386: seq is not likely to be moved to /bin 251952: Very trivial 261552: There is an option that prevents line breaking 214975: No reason put effort into improving devfs support