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From: Adam Di Carlo
Date: 30 Dec 1998 11:09:11 -0500
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"Richard" == Richard Stallman writes:
> Many different practical reasons "encourage" or pressure people to
> use non-free software. Proprietary software developers make great
> efforts to create such reasons.
[...]
> On the 20th anniversary of starting the GNU project, five years from
> now, I hope that it won't be necessary for me to launch a new
> project to develop a complete *free* operating system. I hope that
> GNU/Linux will still be one. But will it be? Only if people stand
> firm.
Richard, I think that your ultimate point, which is that point of the
GPL as I read it, is to encourage free software and the community of
sharing. And I think that we have shown that Debian cares a great
deal about this issue as well, and has shown dedication in propogating
it.
However, your issue is with how non-free relationships are presented
in dselect. I'm sure you're not against us packaging any non-free
packages, as that would mean basically the utter removal of non-free
and contrib sections in our distribution, and I haven't seen you ask
that. So barring that, I think we can change the dselect interface to
accomodate your worry.
As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
*presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
verbage in dselect.
This message is a bug against dpkg to formulate this verbage and
implement it in dselect. I hope IWJ has a chance to consider and
implement this; he's always very careful and complete about these
things.
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Date: 30 Dec 1998 11:09:11 -0500
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"Richard" == Richard Stallman writes:
> Many different practical reasons "encourage" or pressure people to
> use non-free software. Proprietary software developers make great
> efforts to create such reasons.
[...]
> On the 20th anniversary of starting the GNU project, five years from
> now, I hope that it won't be necessary for me to launch a new
> project to develop a complete *free* operating system. I hope that
> GNU/Linux will still be one. But will it be? Only if people stand
> firm.
Richard, I think that your ultimate point, which is that point of the
GPL as I read it, is to encourage free software and the community of
sharing. And I think that we have shown that Debian cares a great
deal about this issue as well, and has shown dedication in propogating
it.
However, your issue is with how non-free relationships are presented
in dselect. I'm sure you're not against us packaging any non-free
packages, as that would mean basically the utter removal of non-free
and contrib sections in our distribution, and I haven't seen you ask
that. So barring that, I think we can change the dselect interface to
accomodate your worry.
As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
*presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
verbage in dselect.
This message is a bug against dpkg to formulate this verbage and
implement it in dselect. I hope IWJ has a chance to consider and
implement this; he's always very careful and complete about these
things.
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Subject: Bug#31311: [Joseph Carter ] Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:16:42PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> > As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
> > 'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
> > relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
> > GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
> > *presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
> > that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
> > verbage in dselect.
>
> Everyone (except maybe Joseph Carter) seemed to ignore/not understand my
> earlier message about this, so I'll say it again:
>
> All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
> to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
> the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
> see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
>
> (Do you have a bug number yet for this bug report I can send this message to?)
Actually, it'd do to have it say "Ignoring suggestion for " Of
course I am certain someone will ask "why did it ignore the suggestion?"
and we can either point them at something resembling docs or tell them
it's because the package isn't available and it's only suggested anyway
so it's not a big deal. Or something like that anyway.
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:16:42PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> > As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
> > 'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
> > relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
> > GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
> > *presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
> > that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
> > verbage in dselect.
>
> Everyone (except maybe Joseph Carter) seemed to ignore/not understand my
> earlier message about this, so I'll say it again:
>
> All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
> to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
> the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
> see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
>
> (Do you have a bug number yet for this bug report I can send this message to?)
Actually, it'd do to have it say "Ignoring suggestion for " Of
course I am certain someone will ask "why did it ignore the suggestion?"
and we can either point them at something resembling docs or tell them
it's because the package isn't available and it's only suggested anyway
so it's not a big deal. Or something like that anyway.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:16:42 -0800
From: Joey Hess
To: Adam Di Carlo
Cc: debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
> 'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
> relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
> GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
> *presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
> that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
> verbage in dselect.
Everyone (except maybe Joseph Carter) seemed to ignore/not understand my
earlier message about this, so I'll say it again:
All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
(Do you have a bug number yet for this bug report I can send this message to?)
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:51:23 -0500
From: Peter S Galbraith
To: Joey Hess
Cc: debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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Joey Hess wrote:
> All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
> to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
> the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
> see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
True enough. But I can already see posts on debian-user saying
that we are hiding (non-free) software from users this way. But
I'm not sure because I avoid dselect so I'm unfamiliar with how
it currently deals with non-available sections. I mainly use the
Debian packages web page to shop for software.
Personally, I install from CD and therefore don't have non-free
available at install time. I would still like a mechanism where
I'm told about related non-free stuff so I can decide for myself
whether I should go to the trouble of ftp'ing it (whether dselect
does this now or not). I agree that the system shouldn't be made
to look broken if it isn't from the omission of non-free stuff
(unless it is broken).
I liked how the Debian Packages web pages indicated suggested
non-free packages with a big [non-free] next to them. But that
seems to have disappeared (probably a bug).
Peter
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:06:36 -0600
From: Jeff Noxon
To: Peter S Galbraith
Cc: Joey Hess , debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
Message-ID: <19981230150636.A17362@planetfall.com>
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Can't we just have dselect/apt ask the user whether they want to be
informed of package relationships with non-free packages?
It would be a great time to explain the reasons to use (or not use)
non-free software, and it would become a dselect preference setting
from that point on. The user would also be informed that selected free
packages still work without their non-free extras. A conffile would
remember the setting, and dselect would only have to bother the user to
answer the question (Do you prefer free speech or free beer?) once.
It seems to me that this solution would please most people.
Regards,
Jeff
On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:51:23PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> True enough. But I can already see posts on debian-user saying
> that we are hiding (non-free) software from users this way. But
> I'm not sure because I avoid dselect so I'm unfamiliar with how
> it currently deals with non-available sections. I mainly use the
> Debian packages web page to shop for software.
>
> Personally, I install from CD and therefore don't have non-free
> available at install time. I would still like a mechanism where
> I'm told about related non-free stuff so I can decide for myself
> whether I should go to the trouble of ftp'ing it (whether dselect
> does this now or not). I agree that the system shouldn't be made
> to look broken if it isn't from the omission of non-free stuff
> (unless it is broken).
>
> I liked how the Debian Packages web pages indicated suggested
> non-free packages with a big [non-free] next to them. But that
> seems to have disappeared (probably a bug).
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:14:39 -0500
From: Ben Collins
To: Jeff Noxon
Cc: Peter S Galbraith , Joey Hess ,
debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:06:36PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote:
> Can't we just have dselect/apt ask the user whether they want to be
> informed of package relationships with non-free packages?
Why not take this a step further and allow apt/dselect to filter
options out of the standard view. Like don't view extra and optional
packages. Don't view non-free, contrib or non-us. Then also filter
based on what the packages' dependencies are, ie. don't show me
anything that depends or requires a package from non-free.
With this in place it would be easier to get dinstall to do what ever
you wanted by passing some command line args and opens up the
configuration to alot more customization rather than making one
change just for this task.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:32:21 -0200
From: Lalo Martins
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On Dec 30, Jeff Noxon decided to present us with:
> Can't we just have dselect/apt ask the user whether they want to be
> informed of package relationships with non-free packages?
>
> It would be a great time to explain the reasons to use (or not use)
> non-free software, and it would become a dselect preference setting
> from that point on. The user would also be informed that selected free
> packages still work without their non-free extras. A conffile would
> remember the setting, and dselect would only have to bother the user to
> answer the question (Do you prefer free speech or free beer?) once.
Sounds good to me - "seconded" :-)
This conffile could also record the fact that I don't want the
damn thing to show a help screen before each dependency popup...
it's quite annoying after you got to learn the keys.
> On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:51:23PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> > True enough. But I can already see posts on debian-user saying
> > that we are hiding (non-free) software from users this way. But
> > I'm not sure because I avoid dselect so I'm unfamiliar with how
> > it currently deals with non-available sections. I mainly use the
> > Debian packages web page to shop for software.
Me too, but I'm quite familiar with dselect also so here it
goes.
You select, say, gimp. It pops up a dependency screen. In the
info pane (below), it says: "gimp suggests gimp-nonfree.
gimp-nonfree doesn't seem to be available." I think this is what
RMS meant about "appearing to be broken".
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:40:03 -0600
From: Jeff Noxon
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 07:32:21PM -0200, Lalo Martins wrote:
> This conffile could also record the fact that I don't want the
> damn thing to show a help screen before each dependency popup...
> it's quite annoying after you got to learn the keys.
No kidding! Expert mode... Heh, as if any beginning user would believe
that dselect had anything _other_ than an expert mode. ;)
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:55:39 -0800
From: Joseph Carter
To: Adam Di Carlo ,
debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
Message-ID: <19981230135539.C6983@debian.org>
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:16:42PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> > As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
> > 'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
> > relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
> > GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
> > *presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
> > that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
> > verbage in dselect.
>
> Everyone (except maybe Joseph Carter) seemed to ignore/not understand my
> earlier message about this, so I'll say it again:
>
> All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
> to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
> the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
> see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
>
> (Do you have a bug number yet for this bug report I can send this message to?)
Actually, it'd do to have it say "Ignoring suggestion for " Of
course I am certain someone will ask "why did it ignore the suggestion?"
and we can either point them at something resembling docs or tell them
it's because the package isn't available and it's only suggested anyway
so it's not a big deal. Or something like that anyway.
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Previously Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
> It requieres a certain version of dpkg to work properly.
dpkg has nothing to do with it. It requires a new version of dselect to
work properly. Modifying how dselect handles Suggests is still a better
choice I think. It also means that an older dselect will still work, it
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:16:42 -0800
From: Joey Hess
To: Adam Di Carlo
Cc: debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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Adam Di Carlo wrote:
> As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
> 'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
> relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
> GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
> *presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
> that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
> verbage in dselect.
Everyone (except maybe Joseph Carter) seemed to ignore/not understand my
earlier message about this, so I'll say it again:
All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
(Do you have a bug number yet for this bug report I can send this message to?)
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:51:23 -0500
From: Peter S Galbraith
To: Joey Hess
Cc: debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
Message-Id: <199812302051.PAA30576@mixing.qc.dfo.ca>
Joey Hess wrote:
> All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
> to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
> the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
> see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
True enough. But I can already see posts on debian-user saying
that we are hiding (non-free) software from users this way. But
I'm not sure because I avoid dselect so I'm unfamiliar with how
it currently deals with non-available sections. I mainly use the
Debian packages web page to shop for software.
Personally, I install from CD and therefore don't have non-free
available at install time. I would still like a mechanism where
I'm told about related non-free stuff so I can decide for myself
whether I should go to the trouble of ftp'ing it (whether dselect
does this now or not). I agree that the system shouldn't be made
to look broken if it isn't from the omission of non-free stuff
(unless it is broken).
I liked how the Debian Packages web pages indicated suggested
non-free packages with a big [non-free] next to them. But that
seems to have disappeared (probably a bug).
Peter
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:06:36 -0600
From: Jeff Noxon
To: Peter S Galbraith
Cc: Joey Hess , debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
Message-ID: <19981230150636.A17362@planetfall.com>
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Can't we just have dselect/apt ask the user whether they want to be
informed of package relationships with non-free packages?
It would be a great time to explain the reasons to use (or not use)
non-free software, and it would become a dselect preference setting
from that point on. The user would also be informed that selected free
packages still work without their non-free extras. A conffile would
remember the setting, and dselect would only have to bother the user to
answer the question (Do you prefer free speech or free beer?) once.
It seems to me that this solution would please most people.
Regards,
Jeff
On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:51:23PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> True enough. But I can already see posts on debian-user saying
> that we are hiding (non-free) software from users this way. But
> I'm not sure because I avoid dselect so I'm unfamiliar with how
> it currently deals with non-available sections. I mainly use the
> Debian packages web page to shop for software.
>
> Personally, I install from CD and therefore don't have non-free
> available at install time. I would still like a mechanism where
> I'm told about related non-free stuff so I can decide for myself
> whether I should go to the trouble of ftp'ing it (whether dselect
> does this now or not). I agree that the system shouldn't be made
> to look broken if it isn't from the omission of non-free stuff
> (unless it is broken).
>
> I liked how the Debian Packages web pages indicated suggested
> non-free packages with a big [non-free] next to them. But that
> seems to have disappeared (probably a bug).
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 16:14:39 -0500
From: Ben Collins
To: Jeff Noxon
Cc: Peter S Galbraith , Joey Hess ,
debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
Message-ID: <19981230161439.J232@visi.net>
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:06:36PM -0600, Jeff Noxon wrote:
> Can't we just have dselect/apt ask the user whether they want to be
> informed of package relationships with non-free packages?
Why not take this a step further and allow apt/dselect to filter
options out of the standard view. Like don't view extra and optional
packages. Don't view non-free, contrib or non-us. Then also filter
based on what the packages' dependencies are, ie. don't show me
anything that depends or requires a package from non-free.
With this in place it would be easier to get dinstall to do what ever
you wanted by passing some command line args and opens up the
configuration to alot more customization rather than making one
change just for this task.
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 19:32:21 -0200
From: Lalo Martins
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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On Dec 30, Jeff Noxon decided to present us with:
> Can't we just have dselect/apt ask the user whether they want to be
> informed of package relationships with non-free packages?
>
> It would be a great time to explain the reasons to use (or not use)
> non-free software, and it would become a dselect preference setting
> from that point on. The user would also be informed that selected free
> packages still work without their non-free extras. A conffile would
> remember the setting, and dselect would only have to bother the user to
> answer the question (Do you prefer free speech or free beer?) once.
Sounds good to me - "seconded" :-)
This conffile could also record the fact that I don't want the
damn thing to show a help screen before each dependency popup...
it's quite annoying after you got to learn the keys.
> On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 03:51:23PM -0500, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> > True enough. But I can already see posts on debian-user saying
> > that we are hiding (non-free) software from users this way. But
> > I'm not sure because I avoid dselect so I'm unfamiliar with how
> > it currently deals with non-available sections. I mainly use the
> > Debian packages web page to shop for software.
Me too, but I'm quite familiar with dselect also so here it
goes.
You select, say, gimp. It pops up a dependency screen. In the
info pane (below), it says: "gimp suggests gimp-nonfree.
gimp-nonfree doesn't seem to be available." I think this is what
RMS meant about "appearing to be broken".
[]s,
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 15:40:03 -0600
From: Jeff Noxon
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 07:32:21PM -0200, Lalo Martins wrote:
> This conffile could also record the fact that I don't want the
> damn thing to show a help screen before each dependency popup...
> it's quite annoying after you got to learn the keys.
No kidding! Expert mode... Heh, as if any beginning user would believe
that dselect had anything _other_ than an expert mode. ;)
Regards,
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Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 13:55:39 -0800
From: Joseph Carter
To: Adam Di Carlo ,
debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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On Wed, Dec 30, 1998 at 12:16:42PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> > As you may know, no package in the main Debian distribution may
> > 'depend' or 'recommend' a non-free package. The 'suggests'
> > relationship, which is only intepreted by dselect, needs to have it's
> > GUI mechanics tuned so that relationships with non-free packages are
> > *presented* without actually causing users to worry that they need
> > that package. I think that can be done pretty simply with some
> > verbage in dselect.
>
> Everyone (except maybe Joseph Carter) seemed to ignore/not understand my
> earlier message about this, so I'll say it again:
>
> All we need to do is change dselect so if there is a Suggests: that points
> to a package that is not in the available file, dselect does not show it to
> the user. This will make users who do not have non-free selected at all not
> see the suggests, and users who do chose to have non-free selected see them.
>
> (Do you have a bug number yet for this bug report I can send this message to?)
Actually, it'd do to have it say "Ignoring suggestion for " Of
course I am certain someone will ask "why did it ignore the suggestion?"
and we can either point them at something resembling docs or tell them
it's because the package isn't available and it's only suggested anyway
so it's not a big deal. Or something like that anyway.
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Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 13:01:48 +0100
From: Wichert Akkerman
To: debian-private@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Comments on Debian packages and installation
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Previously Marcelo E. Magallon wrote:
> It requieres a certain version of dpkg to work properly.
dpkg has nothing to do with it. It requires a new version of dselect to
work properly. Modifying how dselect handles Suggests is still a better
choice I think. It also means that an older dselect will still work, it
only is slightly more annoying.
While we're doing that we could probably also modify dselect so it will
do for Recommends what it is doing for Suggests now (ie only show the
conflict screen once).
Wichert.
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Bug#31311; Package dpkg.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgKlee Dienes and Ian Jackson
Subject: Bug#31311: [Various] Comments on Debian packages and installation
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From: Joseph Carter
To: Adam Di Carlo
Cc: 31311@bugs.debian.org, debian-private@lists.debian.org, rms@gnu.org
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On Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 10:03:48AM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
>
> Forwarding discussion of this bug from . I am pretty
> sure the contributors listed here are ok with forwarding this mail
> from private to the BTS. If not, so sorry.
Working on this for slink as I type. Just built a reference dpkg/dselect
and I am about to test these. Once I am certain I have a functional
dselect I will begin majing code changes.
I have already found the one RMS wants fixed wrt dselect making a missing
suggestion seem like a bigger deal than it is. I have already
established a strategy for fixing it and I just have to figure out the
layout of the structures for proper implementation of the fix. There's a
single line that I know what it does but I don't know what it does[1] and
I will have to figure that out. Once I determine what the code does and
how the structure is laid out, I should have a fix written in 5 minutes.
Of course give me an hour to make the fix actually compile and work
properly... =>
The other fix(es) for how Recommends/Suggests will be handled may or may
not be so easy. Probably because of what I will have to learn about C++
and the way dselect does things internally to fix the above easy problem,
it should not be terribly difficult. I learn fast.
What I'm going to do with it if I can is pretty much what rcw and a few
others want:
Suggests: Works much like it does now. Will NOT install by default
however it will bring up the "conflict resolution screen" with the "xxx
suggests yyy", the user will have to select it here if they want it.
Recommends: Works much like suggests does now. Will default to
installing the package but if the user decides not to install it they
will no longer be harassed by the program.
I am making these changes for slink's dpkg which may or may not be what
potato uses, I don't know. It's my recommendation that the first
(easier) fix I am working on that just changes the nature of the messages
for when a package is not available be included in slink, but that the
bigger change be held for potato. Too many packages that currently use
suggests would want to use recommends in the future. This also may
require a policy change, though those I have heard seem to think the
behavior I hope to code for dselect would be more sane than what it does
currently.
I will not NMU either of these but rather just provide the patches for
others to review.
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On Thu, Dec 31, 1998 at 10:03:48AM -0500, Adam Di Carlo wrote:
>
> Forwarding discussion of this bug from . I am pretty
> sure the contributors listed here are ok with forwarding this mail
> from private to the BTS. If not, so sorry.
Working on this for slink as I type. Just built a reference dpkg/dselect
and I am about to test these. Once I am certain I have a functional
dselect I will begin majing code changes.
I have already found the one RMS wants fixed wrt dselect making a missing
suggestion seem like a bigger deal than it is. I have already
established a strategy for fixing it and I just have to figure out the
layout of the structures for proper implementation of the fix. There's a
single line that I know what it does but I don't know what it does[1] and
I will have to figure that out. Once I determine what the code does and
how the structure is laid out, I should have a fix written in 5 minutes.
Of course give me an hour to make the fix actually compile and work
properly... =>
The other fix(es) for how Recommends/Suggests will be handled may or may
not be so easy. Probably because of what I will have to learn about C++
and the way dselect does things internally to fix the above easy problem,
it should not be terribly difficult. I learn fast.
What I'm going to do with it if I can is pretty much what rcw and a few
others want:
Suggests: Works much like it does now. Will NOT install by default
however it will bring up the "conflict resolution screen" with the "xxx
suggests yyy", the user will have to select it here if they want it.
Recommends: Works much like suggests does now. Will default to
installing the package but if the user decides not to install it they
will no longer be harassed by the program.
I am making these changes for slink's dpkg which may or may not be what
potato uses, I don't know. It's my recommendation that the first
(easier) fix I am working on that just changes the nature of the messages
for when a package is not available be included in slink, but that the
bigger change be held for potato. Too many packages that currently use
suggests would want to use recommends in the future. This also may
require a policy change, though those I have heard seem to think the
behavior I hope to code for dselect would be more sane than what it does
currently.
I will not NMU either of these but rather just provide the patches for
others to review.
--
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Changed Bug title.
Request was from Josip Rodin <jrodin@public.srce.hr>
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severity 54303 normal
close 53526
retitle 31311 dselect should deal differently with non-free packages
merge 1037 42061
merge 957 53376
severity 51788 fixed
merge 51788 52022
merge 17376 33742
severity 32700 fixed
severity 29274 fixed
severity 15003 fixed
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reassign 2834 dselect
retitle 7056 dselect nfs method does no package ordering
reassign 7056 dselect
retitle 7181 dselect should install packages ordered by priority
reassign 7181 dselect
reassign 8340 dselect
retitle 8848 does not restore old color in xterm
reassign 8848 dselect
retitle 9085 bottom status lines confusing
reassign 9085 dselect
reassign 13303 dselect
retitle 16020 "Internal error. No arguments given for -e. Press Return."
reassign 16020 dselect
retitle 16855 e2fsprogsg listed as obsolete, e2fsprogs's Provides/Replaces/Conflicts ineffective
reassign 16855 dselect
reassign 21134 dselect
retitle 21659 dselect doesn't show descriptions for obsolete packages
reassign 21659 dselect
reassign 21758 dselect
close 23322
reopen 23322 Janos Vegh
retitle 23322 absolute path not accepted (dpkg-ftp|http?)
reassign 23322 dselect
retitle 23839 installed packages info set to
reassign 23839 dselect
retitle 25836 update methods should ask whether you want to merge to the available file
reassign 25836 dselect
reassign 27284 dselect
reassign 27705 dselect
retitle 29939 dpkg partially deleted required libraries for pppd and was unable to replace them
retitle 30972 RMS dislikes language of the prompt for non-free CDs
reassign 30972 dselect
reassign 31569 dselect complained that all files had a wrong size
retitle 31878 dselect attempts to enforce Suggests:
reassign 31878 dselect
reassign 32595 dselect
reassign 34575 dselect
reassign 35654 dselect
reassign 37592 dselect
reassign 41196 dpkg-multicd
retitle 46749 clear SA_INTERRUPT
reassign 46749 dselect
retitle 55097 dselect with scan is confused if 2 version of same pkg exist
reassign 55097 dselect
retitle 58107 dselect: can't change mark of an installed package from purge to remove
reassign 58107 dselect
retitle 75088 dpkg: parse error in file /var/lib/dpkg/status
reassign 87434 dselect
severity 107449 wishlist
tag 107449 wontfix
reassign 107586 dselect
retitle 115442 The dividing/bottom line doesn't work if dselect runs in xterm
reassign 115442 dselect
retitle 115445 Dselect cleans up screen incorrectly
reassign 115445 dselect
retitle 119326 dselect says: 'dselect: failed to getch in main menu: Success' and exits, in screen re-attaching
reassign 119326 dselect
retitle 120086 there's only only room for 12 characters in the package name on 80x25
severity 120086 minor
reassign 120086 dselect
retitle 120562 dselect: key bindings have changed but "k" keystrokes screen has not
reassign 120562 dselect
retitle 121722 Dselect: keys 'o' and 'O' (ordering) don't work in a sub-list page
reassign 121722 dselect
retitle 130798 dselect loops getting EOF on stdin
reassign 130798 dselect
severity 130888 minor
retitle 87665 dselect has inconsistent background colouring
reassign 87665 dselect
retitle 106033 dselect: successful search "/" blinks screen, simulates bouncing return key
reassign 106033 dselect
reassign 108161 dselect
reassign 117783 dselect
reassign 1555 dselect
reassign 4394 dselect
reassign 4448 dselect
reassign 4989 dselect
reassign 6019 dselect
retitle 6486 should have a Tk version, mention multiple available versions etc
reassign 6486 dselect
reassign 6714 dselect
reassign 13500 dselect
reassign 15531 dselect
reassign 16996 dpkg-ftp
reassign 25173 dselect
reassign 31311 dselect
retitle 32489 dselect should pause after remove or config
reassign 32489 dselect
reassign 32542 dselect
reassign 42475 dselect
retitle 42962 rsync method would be useful
reassign 42962 dselect
retitle 46825 dselect unruly with 4000 packages
reassign 46825 dselect
reassign 53377 dselect
retitle 54883 list packages from unstable in a different section
reassign 54883 dselect
reassign 56924 dselect
reassign 78536 dselect
retitle 115446 Inconvenient dependency resolution when many packages should be put on hold
reassign 115446 dselect
severity 122910 minor
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Hallo Maenner! Mein Name ist ANNETTE und ich bin ein echt devotes Luder,
dass als reines Lustobjekt benutzt werden will! Ich brauche es hart und
verdorben und liebe es wenn Du mich AnaI mit dem Dildo nimmst oder mit
meiner P.ussy spielst ganz wie Du es willst! Aber natuerlich muss ich auch
hin und wieder bestraft werden und darum habe ich Bondageseile, Klammern,
Kerzen, Riemen und Flaschen da! Und wenn Du es willst, dann trinke ich sogar
meinen Natursekt fuer Dich. Ich bin da um benutzt zu werden, also sei mein
Herr und benutze mich live im Chat!
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