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Subject: Bug#18204: emacs20: bruce doesn't work
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Package: emacs20
Version: 20.2-1

While reading through the Emacs news file, I noticed a new function,
`bruce'.  But it doesn't work.  When I typed M-x bruce, it logged
these errors to the message buffer:

Loading bruce...
Loading bruce...done
Checking authorization...
Opening input file: no such file or directory, /usr/share/emacs/20.2/etc/bruce.lines



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Package: emacs20
Version: 20.2-1

While reading through the Emacs news file, I noticed a new function,
`bruce'.  But it doesn't work.  When I typed M-x bruce, it logged
these errors to the message buffer:

Loading bruce...
Loading bruce...done
Checking authorization...
Opening input file: no such file or directory, /usr/share/emacs/20.2/etc/bruce.lines



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Subject: Bug#18204: emacs20: bruce doesn't work
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pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu (Ben Pfaff) writes:

> While reading through the Emacs news file, I noticed a new function,
> `bruce'.  But it doesn't work.  When I typed M-x bruce, it logged
> these errors to the message buffer:

Judging from the dscription of bruce (a yow-like emulation of Lenny
Bruce), this is probably expected behavior.  I would guess the FSF
doesn't ship the data file with emacs because of it's (adult) content.
You probably have to go get it yourself.  Other than what emacs does
now (which it correctly report that it can't find the file), what
would you like to see it do?

-- 
Rob Browning <rlb@cs.utexas.edu>
PGP fingerprint = E8 0E 0D 04 F5 21 A0 94  53 2B 97 F5 D6 4E 39 30



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pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu (Ben Pfaff) writes:

> While reading through the Emacs news file, I noticed a new function,
> `bruce'.  But it doesn't work.  When I typed M-x bruce, it logged
> these errors to the message buffer:

Judging from the dscription of bruce (a yow-like emulation of Lenny
Bruce), this is probably expected behavior.  I would guess the FSF
doesn't ship the data file with emacs because of it's (adult) content.
You probably have to go get it yourself.  Other than what emacs does
now (which it correctly report that it can't find the file), what
would you like to see it do?

-- 
Rob Browning <rlb@cs.utexas.edu>
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   pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu (Ben Pfaff) writes:

   > While reading through the Emacs news file, I noticed a new function,
   > `bruce'.  But it doesn't work.  When I typed M-x bruce, it logged
   > these errors to the message buffer:

   Judging from the dscription of bruce (a yow-like emulation of Lenny
   Bruce), this is probably expected behavior.  I would guess the FSF
   doesn't ship the data file with emacs because of it's (adult) content.
   You probably have to go get it yourself.  Other than what emacs does
   now (which it correctly report that it can't find the file), what
   would you like to see it do?

Mainly I'd like a pointer to where to get the file, if you think it's
truly shipped separately.  I didn't see anything about this in the
docs; C-h f bruce displays:

    bruce is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function in `bruce'.

    Adds that special touch of class to your outgoing mail.

which is less than informative.

I am going to reassign severity `wishlist' to this bug.



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   pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu (Ben Pfaff) writes:

   > While reading through the Emacs news file, I noticed a new function,
   > `bruce'.  But it doesn't work.  When I typed M-x bruce, it logged
   > these errors to the message buffer:

   Judging from the dscription of bruce (a yow-like emulation of Lenny
   Bruce), this is probably expected behavior.  I would guess the FSF
   doesn't ship the data file with emacs because of it's (adult) content.
   You probably have to go get it yourself.  Other than what emacs does
   now (which it correctly report that it can't find the file), what
   would you like to see it do?

Mainly I'd like a pointer to where to get the file, if you think it's
truly shipped separately.  I didn't see anything about this in the
docs; C-h f bruce displays:

    bruce is an interactive autoloaded Lisp function in `bruce'.

    Adds that special touch of class to your outgoing mail.

which is less than informative.

I am going to reassign severity `wishlist' to this bug.



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Ben Pfaff <pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu> writes:

> Mainly I'd like a pointer to where to get the file, if you think it's
> truly shipped separately.  I didn't see anything about this in the
> docs; C-h f bruce displays:

Well, I poked around in the source when I originally built the package
because I was curious myself, but I didn't find anything.  If you
figure out where to get the file, let me know and I'll update the
docs, and make the function report the location if the file's not
installed.

> I am going to reassign severity `wishlist' to this bug.

Sounds appropriate.

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Ben Pfaff <pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu> writes:

> Mainly I'd like a pointer to where to get the file, if you think it's
> truly shipped separately.  I didn't see anything about this in the
> docs; C-h f bruce displays:

Well, I poked around in the source when I originally built the package
because I was curious myself, but I didn't find anything.  If you
figure out where to get the file, let me know and I'll update the
docs, and make the function report the location if the file's not
installed.

> I am going to reassign severity `wishlist' to this bug.

Sounds appropriate.

-- 
Rob Browning <rlb@cs.utexas.edu>
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   Well, I poked around in the source when I originally built the package
   because I was curious myself, but I didn't find anything.  If you
   figure out where to get the file, let me know and I'll update the
   docs, and make the function report the location if the file's not
   installed.

I got really curious and looked at bruce.el, and found this paragraph:

    ;; However, in order to comply with the CDA as interpreted by Richard
    ;; Stallman (see the essay on censorship), bruce is distributed without a
    ;; data file from which to select words at random. Sorry about that. I
    ;; believe the average user will be able to come up with a few words on
    ;; his or her own. If that is a problem, feel free to ask any American
    ;; teenager, preferrably one who attends a government school. Failing
    ;; that, you might write to Mr. Clinton or Ms Reno or their successors and
    ;; ask them for suggestions. Think of it as a public spirited act: the
    ;; time they spend answering you is time not spent persecuting someone
    ;; else. However, do ask them to respond by snail mail, where their
    ;; suggestions would be legal.

   > I am going to reassign severity `wishlist' to this bug.

   Sounds appropriate.

I guess I still would like a default file distributed; the CDA was
ruled null and void, after all.  So I will leave it as wishlist then,
if you don't mind.  Perhaps my friends and I can come up with some
good words :-)



<strong>Acknowledgement sent</strong> to <code>pfaffben@pilot.msu.edu</code>:<br>
Extra info received and forwarded to list.


-t

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   Well, I poked around in the source when I originally built the package
   because I was curious myself, but I didn't find anything.  If you
   figure out where to get the file, let me know and I'll update the
   docs, and make the function report the location if the file's not
   installed.

I got really curious and looked at bruce.el, and found this paragraph:

    ;; However, in order to comply with the CDA as interpreted by Richard
    ;; Stallman (see the essay on censorship), bruce is distributed without a
    ;; data file from which to select words at random. Sorry about that. I
    ;; believe the average user will be able to come up with a few words on
    ;; his or her own. If that is a problem, feel free to ask any American
    ;; teenager, preferrably one who attends a government school. Failing
    ;; that, you might write to Mr. Clinton or Ms Reno or their successors and
    ;; ask them for suggestions. Think of it as a public spirited act: the
    ;; time they spend answering you is time not spent persecuting someone
    ;; else. However, do ask them to respond by snail mail, where their
    ;; suggestions would be legal.

   > I am going to reassign severity `wishlist' to this bug.

   Sounds appropriate.

I guess I still would like a default file distributed; the CDA was
ruled null and void, after all.  So I will leave it as wishlist then,
if you don't mind.  Perhaps my friends and I can come up with some
good words :-)



<strong>Bug reassigned from package `emacs20' to `emacs21'.</strong>
Request was from <code>Frank Lichtenheld &lt;djpig@debian.org&gt;</code>
to <code>control@bugs.debian.org</code>. 


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 # still applies
reassign 18204 emacs21