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Bug#4198; Package tar.
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Package: tar
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Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
I think it's meant to have the standard GNU usage of not interpreting
any arguments past the "--" as flags.
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Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
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This bug was reported against tar 1.11.11 as packaged for Debian GNU/Linux.
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Package: tar
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Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
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Bdale Garbee writes:
| This bug was reported against tar 1.11.11 as packaged for Debian GNU/Linux.
|
| Bdale
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| Subject: Bug#4198: tar doesn't understand "--" flag
| Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 22:20 PDT
| From: bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
|
| Package: tar
| Version: 1.11.11-1
|
| Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
| I think it's meant to have the standard GNU usage of not interpreting
| any arguments past the "--" as flags.
|
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This is an interpretation of the problem, not a usable description of it.
A good bug report explains your input, what you expected, what you got,
and why this is wrong. Please adequately describe the problem. In the
case here, at least provide an example of misbehaviour.
Let me comment a bit more. Using the old option style, I see no reason
to give a special meaning to "--". With newer styles, it would sound more
reasonable. For mixed style, I would surely need to see the precise case.
I'm closing this report on this side. Please resubmit it anew, if you
think there is still a problem in that area.
Keep smiling, and have a nice day!
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Here is additional information on the following bug report.
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?=
Bdale Garbee writes:
| This bug was reported against tar 1.11.11 as packaged for Debian GNU/Linux.
| Subject: Bug#4198: tar doesn't understand "--" flag
| Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 22:20 PDT
| From: bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
|
| Package: tar
| Version: 1.11.11-1
|
| Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
| I think it's meant to have the standard GNU usage of not interpreting
| any arguments past the "--" as flags.
Francois Pinard:
> This is an interpretation of the problem, not a usable description of it.
In this case tar is being invoked from our dpkg-source program.
It invokes tar with the flags to create an archive, the "--" flag, and then
a list of files to be written to the archive. The "--" is to protect tar from
the possibility that the file names might start with the "-" character, and
might thus be parsed as flags rather than filenames. This functions correctly
with your current released version of tar.
Currently, we can not use earlier versions of GNU TAR on the ALPHA, thus
we are running your testing version. We have not made releases using this
program, as our first ALPHA release is probably two months away, and the
only people using it are Debian software testers.
We are willing to fix this in the Debian version, but Richard Stallman has
expressed concern over there being separate versions of programs for Linux
and for the rest of the GNU world. Thus, we would encourage you to fix it.
Thanks
Bruce Perens
Debian Project Leader
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[Richard, please look at the last few paragraphs in this message.]
bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens) writes:
| Here is additional information on the following bug report.
|
| From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7ois_Pinard?=
| Bdale Garbee writes:
| | This bug was reported against tar 1.11.11 as packaged for Debian GNU/Linux.
| | Subject: Bug#4198: tar doesn't understand "--" flag
| | Date: Tue, 20 Aug 96 22:20 PDT
| | From: bruce@Pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
| |
| | Package: tar
| | Version: 1.11.11-1
| |
| | Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
| | I think it's meant to have the standard GNU usage of not interpreting
| | any arguments past the "--" as flags.
|
| Francois Pinard:
| > This is an interpretation of the problem, not a usable description of it.
You miss the important point of the quote:
A good bug report explains your input, what you expected, what you got,
and why this is wrong. Please adequately describe the problem.
I did ask you for a specific example which will help me observe the
problem you see. You still did not.
| In this case tar is being invoked from our dpkg-source program.
| It invokes tar with the flags to create an archive, the "--" flag, and then
| a list of files to be written to the archive. The "--" is to protect tar from
| the possibility that the file names might start with the "-" character, and
| might thus be parsed as flags rather than filenames.
| This functions correctly with your current released version of tar.
User testing for a feature does not commit a package to it. If `--' was
accidentally supported while using the old option style, it was never
documented to do so. Moreover, specifications might change at times.
It seems reasonable to me that if you use newer GNU style options,
`--' be supported indeed. Until you give me an example of the problem,
rather than an vague analysis, I will not take action about it. I'm not
going to install dpkg just to better guess what your problem really is.
| We are willing to fix this in the Debian version, but Richard Stallman
| has expressed concern over there being separate versions of programs
| for Linux and for the rest of the GNU world. Thus, we would encourage
| you to fix it.
I'll gladly accept collaborating with Debian, but I will not easily
accept such pressure. Please play the GNU game by the GNU rules.
I quite suspect Richard might have meant that Linux should make an effort
to use the GNU version of software, more than telling that GNU should
comply to any little goal set by any Linux group.
You know, I am all hearth for collaboration between groups, and I am
often sorry to observe the distance between GNU users in Linux from GNU
users in other kernels. We might all spoil big amounts of time lengthly
analysing the sources of such distance, pointing fingers to people and
quoting sentences. Instead, there is also a question of having the proper
attitude. Probably with do not define the "proper attitude" the same way.
Most people would agree that I'm not usually reluctant to recognise
a bug as such, for the packages I maintain. Maybe not very fast at
solving them (confessed), but at least fair in sorting them out. Before
"fix"ing anything, give me at least a chance to contemplate your problem.
And if I ever decide to solve it differently that you would have chosen,
this should not necessarily means that the problem is not fixed. If the
dpkg is abusing `--' a bit, maybe dpkg could be adjusted just as well.
The fact that dpkg once worked, or depended on some undocumented feature,
does not mean that I broke tar, nor that separate versions are needed.
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From: bruce@pixar.com (Bruce Perens)
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Subject: Re: Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag
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OK - I will generate a test case using the "--" flag. We have removed this
use from the program that exercised the problem, so I'm going to have to
revert it to its previous form first.
Now that we have confirmation that you agree that the other two problems
we reported _are_ bugs we don't see that there is any cooperation problem.
I think it was a communication problem in that we did not understand
that you _did_ intend to eventually fix these problems.
We would not be using your test version at all but for the fact that
the older version doesn't seem to work on our DEC Alpha platform. We
have reverted to the older version for all architectures but Alpha.
There are only three development systems deployed using Debian on Alpha
at the moment. While this number will increase it is very definitely a
testing-only platform for at least the next two months.
Thanks
Bruce
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| We are willing to fix this in the Debian version, but Richard Stallman
| has expressed concern over there being separate versions of programs
| for Linux and for the rest of the GNU world. Thus, we would encourage
| you to fix it.
I'll gladly accept collaborating with Debian, but I will not easily
accept such pressure. Please play the GNU game by the GNU rules.
I quite suspect Richard might have meant that Linux should make an effort
to use the GNU version of software, more than telling that GNU should
comply to any little goal set by any Linux group.
I meant both, more or less. The people who use Linux-based GNU
systems should try to use the standard version, but that means they
have to push for the changes they need to get installed in the
standard version. So we GNU maintainers also have to do what they
need, even if we don't always do it exactly the way they ask for.
Information forwarded to debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.org, Bdale Garbee <bdale@gag.com>:
Bug#4198; Package tar.
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Hi,
maybe we should close this bug now as the last message is over two years
old and no one else reported anything to this problem. Thanks!
Ciao
Christian
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Ciao
Christian
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Subject: tar doesn't understand "--" flag
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Package: tar
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Tar doesn't understand the "--" flag, which a past version handled.
I think it's meant to have the standard GNU usage of not interpreting
any arguments past the "--" as flags.
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From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Debian Bug Tracking System)
To: Bruce Perens
Subject: Bug#4198 acknowledged by developer (tar doesn't understand "--" flag)
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From: bdale@rover.gag.com (Bdale Garbee)
These are fixed in 1.13.11, which is in unstable.
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Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:58:11 -0600 (MDT)
From: bdale@rover.gag.com (Bdale Garbee)
These are fixed in 1.13.11, which is in unstable.
Bdale