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XBut no indication of how to find this out is given.  It may be obvious to 
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XBen Harris writes ("Bug#2296: debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian version"):
X> Package: (debian-bugs)
X> 
X> On <URL: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/debian-bugs/Reporting.html>
X> one is told to supply:
X> 
X>      * The version of the whole Debian system you are using.
X> 
X> But no indication of how to find this out is given.  It may be obvious to
X> sysadmins, but it isn't obvious to us users.
X
XSo, does anyone on debian-devel know of a sound way of doing this ?
XIf not I should probably remove this requirement.
X
XIan.



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XSubject: Re: Bug#2296: debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian version
XTo: ian@chiark.chu.cam.ac.uk (Ian Jackson), debian-bugs@Pixar.com
XDate: Thu, 8 Feb 96 12:35:49 MET
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X> >      * The version of the whole Debian system you are using.
X> So, does anyone on debian-devel know of a sound way of doing this ?
X> If not I should probably remove this requirement.
XPerhaps a finger-print of the version numbers of all the essential packages
X--
XErick Branderhorst@heel.fgg.eur.nl +31-10-4635142
XDepartment of General Surgery (Intensive Care) University Hospital Rotterdam NL



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XErick Branderhorst writes ("Re: Bug#2296: debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian  version"):
X> > >      * The version of the whole Debian system you are using.
X> > So, does anyone on debian-devel know of a sound way of doing this ?
X> > If not I should probably remove this requirement.
X> Perhaps a finger-print of the version numbers of all the essential packages
X
XThat's not helpful, because it would be too long.
X
XWe need to think about what information we're trying to get, here.
X
XIan.
X
XPS: Please don't send the same message to debian-bugs and
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XSubject: Re: Bug#2296: debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian  version
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XFrom: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca
X
X
X  Ian Jackson writes:
X  Ian> Erick Branderhorst writes ("Re: Bug#2296: debian-bugs WWW doesn't say
X  Erick> Perhaps a finger-print of the version numbers of all the essential
X  Erick> packages
X  Ian> That's not helpful, because it would be too long.
X  Ian> 
X  Ian> We need to think about what information we're trying to get, here.
X
XHow about looking at /usr/doc/debian-<version> where <version> currently
Xstands at 0.93, contains old files, belongs to the base package and will
Xprobably be updated by Bruce on our way to 1.1.
X
XThe problem is a sharp definition of a version number. That collides with our
Xin-vitro per-package upgradability, so we might want to settle for a "soft"
Xdefinition of a version number.
X
X--
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XSubject: Re: Bug#2296: debian-bugs WWW doesn't say how to find out Debian  version
XTo: Dirk.Eddelbuettel@qed.econ.queensu.ca, debian-bugs@Pixar.com
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X> How about looking at /usr/doc/debian-<version> where <version> currently
X> stands at 0.93, contains old files, belongs to the base package and will
X> probably be updated by Bruce on our way to 1.1.
XNo not /usr/doc/debian because some might remove all doc stuff. 
XSomewhere in /etc might be better.
X> 
X> The problem is a sharp definition of a version number. That collides with our
X> in-vitro per-package upgradability, so we might want to settle for a "soft"
X> definition of a version number.
X>
XWe are trying to make an elf release don't we, as soon as we make it we have
Xa version number.
X--
XErick Branderhorst@heel.fgg.eur.nl +31-10-4635142
XDepartment of General Surgery (Intensive Care) University Hospital Rotterdam NL



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I'm continuing discussion on an old bug.

> > On <URL: http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/users/iwj10/debian-bugs/Reporting.html>
> > one is told to supply:
> > 
> >      * The version of the whole Debian system you are using.
> > 
> > But no indication of how to find this out is given.  It may be obvious to
> > sysadmins, but it isn't obvious to us users.
> 
> So, does anyone on debian-devel know of a sound way of doing this ?
> If not I should probably remove this requirement.

We have /etc/debian_version, but I don't know if this is updated
when base packages are updated.

However, I think it should be stated as:

	* The version of the Debian system you initially installed,
	  or completely upgraded to, and if you have updated anything
	  since that.

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From: rjs@lloke.dna.fi (Riku Saikkonen)
To: 2296@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Debian version in bug reports

/etc/debian_version is updated when the base-files package is upgraded.

I think the existence of the "bug" package fixes this bug in a way. That is,
if we tell people to use "bug" if they're unsure about which version numbers
to include in the report, it isn't very important to have a debian_version
in the bug report. Otherwise, I think /etc/debian_version is as good a
version number as we can get if we only want one number. 

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