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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgIan Jackson <ian@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

Subject: Bug#9089: dpkg: executes gcc but does not depend on it
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Package: dpkg
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at some point dpkg (perhaps dpkg-ftp?) tries to execute

  gcc --print-libgcc-file-name

but dpkg does not depend on gcc.  The error did not seem to cause any problems
with my installation.

-- System Information
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Versions of the packages dpkg depends on:
libc5	Version: 5.4.23-2
ncurses3.0	Version: 1.9.9e-1



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Package: dpkg
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at some point dpkg (perhaps dpkg-ftp?) tries to execute

  gcc --print-libgcc-file-name

but dpkg does not depend on gcc.  The error did not seem to cause any problems
with my installation.

-- System Information
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Kernel Version: Linux localhost 2.0.30 #1 Thu Apr 24 13:34:49 EDT 1997 i586 unknown

Versions of the packages dpkg depends on:
libc5	Version: 5.4.23-2
ncurses3.0	Version: 1.9.9e-1



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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgIan Jackson <ian@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

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On Apr 25, swift@bu.edu wrote
>
> at some point dpkg (perhaps dpkg-ftp?) tries to execute
> 
>   gcc --print-libgcc-file-name
> 
> but dpkg does not depend on gcc.  The error did not seem to cause any problems
> with my installation.

I just checked, and dpkg-ftp doesn't call gcc.

Would it be possible to replace the "gcc --print-libgcc-file-name" that
dpkg uses by something that is simpler... and that doesn't need gcc. Since
people are not required to have gcc installed, dpkg shouldn't expect it to
be present. Any reason why the value can't be hardcoded or derived from
uname, etc.

Klee, are dpkg bug reports getting to Ian or to you? I took the liberty of
Cc'ing this bug report to you.

  Christian

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-t

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On Apr 25, swift@bu.edu wrote
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> at some point dpkg (perhaps dpkg-ftp?) tries to execute
> 
>   gcc --print-libgcc-file-name
> 
> but dpkg does not depend on gcc.  The error did not seem to cause any problems
> with my installation.

I just checked, and dpkg-ftp doesn't call gcc.

Would it be possible to replace the "gcc --print-libgcc-file-name" that
dpkg uses by something that is simpler... and that doesn't need gcc. Since
people are not required to have gcc installed, dpkg shouldn't expect it to
be present. Any reason why the value can't be hardcoded or derived from
uname, etc.

Klee, are dpkg bug reports getting to Ian or to you? I took the liberty of
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  Christian

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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgIan Jackson <ian@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

Subject: Bug#9089: dpkg: executes gcc but does not depend on it
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On Apr 25, swift@bu.edu wrote
>
> at some point dpkg (perhaps dpkg-ftp?) tries to execute
> 
>   gcc --print-libgcc-file-name
> 
> but dpkg does not depend on gcc.  The error did not seem to cause any problems
> with my installation.

I just checked, and dpkg-ftp doesn't call gcc.

Would it be possible to replace the "gcc --print-libgcc-file-name" that
dpkg uses by something that is simpler... and that doesn't need gcc. Since
people are not required to have gcc installed, dpkg shouldn't expect it to
be present. Any reason why the value can't be hardcoded or derived from
uname, etc.

Klee, are dpkg bug reports getting to Ian or to you? I took the liberty of
Cc'ing this bug report to you.

  Christian

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-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Ian Jackson)
To: "Christian Hudon" <chudon@ee.mcgill.ca>
Subject: Bug#9089: Info received (was Bug#9089: dpkg: executes gcc but does not depend on it)
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Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
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On Apr 25, swift@bu.edu wrote
>
> at some point dpkg (perhaps dpkg-ftp?) tries to execute
> 
>   gcc --print-libgcc-file-name
> 
> but dpkg does not depend on gcc.  The error did not seem to cause any problems
> with my installation.

I just checked, and dpkg-ftp doesn't call gcc.

Would it be possible to replace the "gcc --print-libgcc-file-name" that
dpkg uses by something that is simpler... and that doesn't need gcc. Since
people are not required to have gcc installed, dpkg shouldn't expect it to
be present. Any reason why the value can't be hardcoded or derived from
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Klee, are dpkg bug reports getting to Ian or to you? I took the liberty of
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  Christian

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debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgIan Jackson <ian@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

Subject: Bug#9089: dpkg: executes gcc but does not depend on it 
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To: "Christian Hudon" <chudon@ee.mcgill.ca>, 9089@bugs.debian.org
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> Would it be possible to replace the "gcc --print-libgcc-file-name" that
> dpkg uses by something that is simpler... and that doesn't need gcc. Since
> people are not required to have gcc installed, dpkg shouldn't expect it to
> be present. Any reason why the value can't be hardcoded or derived from
> uname, etc.

dpkg provides three different options to give architecture information
about the machine on which it is run:

dpkg --print-installation-architecture:

  This returns the architecture string for the machine on which
  dpkg is being run, is determined when dpkg is compiled, and is
  contained statically within the dpkg binary

dpkg --print-architecture:

  This prints the Debian architecture string for the machine type for
  which the compile environment is currently configured to generate
  executable code.  Typically this will be the same as the output of
  'dpkg --print-installation-architecture', but it may be different
  when one is cross-compiling.  dpkg currently uses 
  'gcc --print-libgc-file-name' to determine the current compilation
  target architecture.

dpkg --print-gnu-build-architecture:

  The same as 'dpkg --print-architecture', except that it prints the
  machine component of the GNU 'configure' string for the architecture
  instead of the Debian architecture string.  The machine component of
  the GNU 'configure' string will typically be the same as the Debian
  architecture string, except GNU uses 'i486' where Debian uses 'i386'.

I agree that the hidden dependence of dpkg on gcc is less than
optimal, but given that the two options in question are only designed
to be used when building architecture-specific packages, I believe it
to be the best available solution at the moment.

Roman Hodek <Roman.Hodek@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> has recently been
doing a good bit of work on cross-compilation; this may well lead to
some improvements in the way dpkg is handling things.

Here, though, I believe the problem to be in dpkg-ftp: I believe that
line 32 of 'update' and line 31 of 'setup' should be changed to use
'dpkg --print-installation-architecture' instead of 'dpkg
--print-architecture'.  Accordingly, I'm reassigning this bug report
to dpkg-ftp.

> Klee, are dpkg bug reports getting to Ian or to you? I took the liberty of
> Cc'ing this bug report to you.

The bug reports are being sent to Ian, but I read them anyway.  :-).
You may want to Cc: me on reports if you want to make absolutely sure
they don't get lost, though.

Thanks,
 - Klee



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-t

From: owner@bugs.debian.org (Ian Jackson)
To: Klee Dienes <klee@mit.edu>
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Thank you for the additional information you have supplied regarding
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> Would it be possible to replace the "gcc --print-libgcc-file-name" that
> dpkg uses by something that is simpler... and that doesn't need gcc. Since
> people are not required to have gcc installed, dpkg shouldn't expect it to
> be present. Any reason why the value can't be hardcoded or derived from
> uname, etc.

dpkg provides three different options to give architecture information
about the machine on which it is run:

dpkg --print-installation-architecture:

  This returns the architecture string for the machine on which
  dpkg is being run, is determined when dpkg is compiled, and is
  contained statically within the dpkg binary

dpkg --print-architecture:

  This prints the Debian architecture string for the machine type for
  which the compile environment is currently configured to generate
  executable code.  Typically this will be the same as the output of
  'dpkg --print-installation-architecture', but it may be different
  when one is cross-compiling.  dpkg currently uses 
  'gcc --print-libgc-file-name' to determine the current compilation
  target architecture.

dpkg --print-gnu-build-architecture:

  The same as 'dpkg --print-architecture', except that it prints the
  machine component of the GNU 'configure' string for the architecture
  instead of the Debian architecture string.  The machine component of
  the GNU 'configure' string will typically be the same as the Debian
  architecture string, except GNU uses 'i486' where Debian uses 'i386'.

I agree that the hidden dependence of dpkg on gcc is less than
optimal, but given that the two options in question are only designed
to be used when building architecture-specific packages, I believe it
to be the best available solution at the moment.

Roman Hodek <Roman.Hodek@informatik.uni-erlangen.de> has recently been
doing a good bit of work on cross-compilation; this may well lead to
some improvements in the way dpkg is handling things.

Here, though, I believe the problem to be in dpkg-ftp: I believe that
line 32 of 'update' and line 31 of 'setup' should be changed to use
'dpkg --print-installation-architecture' instead of 'dpkg
--print-architecture'.  Accordingly, I'm reassigning this bug report
to dpkg-ftp.

> Klee, are dpkg bug reports getting to Ian or to you? I took the liberty of
> Cc'ing this bug report to you.

The bug reports are being sent to Ian, but I read them anyway.  :-).
You may want to Cc: me on reports if you want to make absolutely sure
they don't get lost, though.

Thanks,
 - Klee



<strong>Bug reassigned from package `dpkg' to `dpkg-ftp'.</strong>
Request was from <code>Klee Dienes &lt;klee@mit.edu&gt;</code>
to <code>control@bugs.debian.org</code>. 


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reassign 9089 dpkg-ftp