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Bug#6786; Package dpkg.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgIan Jackson
Subject: Bug#6786: dselect and mirrors with incomplete archives
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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull"
Package: dpkg
Version: 1.4.0.6
I am using Debian 1.2, kernel version 2.0.27, and libc 5.4.13.
I observed the following problem of inconsistency between Packages and
the actual archive with a Debian mirror and reported it to the
mirrors. Since I think it is a bug in the package management system,
I am reporting it here. As I don't understand dpkg yet (I haven't
successfully installed the system, so don't really have access to docs
etc), I'm going to make some suggestions, but if they seem orthogonal
to common sense, they probably are.
I looked at titles to the bugs regarding dpkg, and didn't see anything
related. With my current bandwidth, actually reading all the reports
would take most of this week; sorry if I missed this one.
>>>>> At 11:44 AM 23/01/97 +0900, I wrote:
me> I have been having a lot of problems with installation from the
me> Debian Linux mirror at ftp.kreonet.re.kr.
me> The basic cause seems to be that the package list was mirrored
me> _before_ getting all the packages. Thus many of the files are
me> older than the version mentioned in the package list. In
me> particular, ftp.kreonet.re.kr claims to have libc_5.4.17-X.deb,
me> but only has libc_5.4.13-X.deb. Since many of the packages
me> already updated depend on having at least libc 5.4.17, dselect
me> goes crazy, and there are many errors in installation so dpkg
me> can't recover.
me> I suspect that this could be a problem at many overseas
me> mirrors, as bandwidth really stinks recently.
>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Ferguson responded:
Karl> Unfortuantely we can't do much about that. If files
Karl> time-out enough when mirroring and mirror decided to spit
Karl> the dummy and exit, then you'll end up having updated files
Karl> all over the place. It also depends on here the mirror is
Karl> mirroring from.
me> This really is a defect in the package management system. As
me> it is not possible to guarantee timely updates of a full
me> mirror, the package list should be generated on the fly at the
me> mirror.
Karl> Bugs with mirrors should be reported directly to the mirror
Karl> admins (as you see listed in the README.mirrors file) - it's
Karl> not really the mirrors responsability to have thir own
Karl> package maintenance system, if we demanded this then I doubt
Karl> we'd have any mirrors left at all - I'm a mirror myself, and
Karl> I wouldn't want that.
I agree with this; it seems to me that developing a script for
generating Packages rests with the dpkg maintenance team. Since you
presumably already have one, it should be possible to modify it for
use by mirrors. I recognize that this could potentially be annoying
because of various packages and versions of mirroring software, but
since dselect is the first thing us newbies see, you could chase all
of us back to RedHat and we wouldn't want that :-)
Karl> Packages(.gz) etc are all updated and retrieved first during
Karl> a mirror because it's first on the list. As I said before,
Karl> we can't help it if mirror spits the dummy and exits due to
Karl> errors.
Right. At a minimum, Packages ought to be the *last* thing on the
list, and *old* packages should not be purged (the Debian naming
system guarantees they won't be overwritten, as far as I can see)
until Packages is updated. Yes, this leaves you with an old mirror
for a potentially long period of time, but at least it's consistent.
An option would be to add a "stable-in-process" distribution for
the adventurous. This would only appear at mirrors with relatively
low bandwidth and long transition periods.
Of course, both of these options require a lot more space of the
mirror :-(
Also, dselect should probably (optionally) recheck the dependencies
after getting the packages to make sure that the packages received
actually do satisfy the dependency tree.
dselect doesn't seem very smart about large numbers of packages; maybe
new users should be advised to do the installations incrementally. It
also would be helpful to add an outline feature (hiding/showing
contents below a header) to dselect. (Yeah, I know, I ought to put
this in a separate report, but I don't feel like wrestling with the
transmission lags to check the bug list.)
Thanks for your attention to these problems.
Stephen Turnbull
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From: "Stephen J. Turnbull"
Package: dpkg
Version: 1.4.0.6
I am using Debian 1.2, kernel version 2.0.27, and libc 5.4.13.
I observed the following problem of inconsistency between Packages and
the actual archive with a Debian mirror and reported it to the
mirrors. Since I think it is a bug in the package management system,
I am reporting it here. As I don't understand dpkg yet (I haven't
successfully installed the system, so don't really have access to docs
etc), I'm going to make some suggestions, but if they seem orthogonal
to common sense, they probably are.
I looked at titles to the bugs regarding dpkg, and didn't see anything
related. With my current bandwidth, actually reading all the reports
would take most of this week; sorry if I missed this one.
>>>>> At 11:44 AM 23/01/97 +0900, I wrote:
me> I have been having a lot of problems with installation from the
me> Debian Linux mirror at ftp.kreonet.re.kr.
me> The basic cause seems to be that the package list was mirrored
me> _before_ getting all the packages. Thus many of the files are
me> older than the version mentioned in the package list. In
me> particular, ftp.kreonet.re.kr claims to have libc_5.4.17-X.deb,
me> but only has libc_5.4.13-X.deb. Since many of the packages
me> already updated depend on having at least libc 5.4.17, dselect
me> goes crazy, and there are many errors in installation so dpkg
me> can't recover.
me> I suspect that this could be a problem at many overseas
me> mirrors, as bandwidth really stinks recently.
>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Ferguson responded:
Karl> Unfortuantely we can't do much about that. If files
Karl> time-out enough when mirroring and mirror decided to spit
Karl> the dummy and exit, then you'll end up having updated files
Karl> all over the place. It also depends on here the mirror is
Karl> mirroring from.
me> This really is a defect in the package management system. As
me> it is not possible to guarantee timely updates of a full
me> mirror, the package list should be generated on the fly at the
me> mirror.
Karl> Bugs with mirrors should be reported directly to the mirror
Karl> admins (as you see listed in the README.mirrors file) - it's
Karl> not really the mirrors responsability to have thir own
Karl> package maintenance system, if we demanded this then I doubt
Karl> we'd have any mirrors left at all - I'm a mirror myself, and
Karl> I wouldn't want that.
I agree with this; it seems to me that developing a script for
generating Packages rests with the dpkg maintenance team. Since you
presumably already have one, it should be possible to modify it for
use by mirrors. I recognize that this could potentially be annoying
because of various packages and versions of mirroring software, but
since dselect is the first thing us newbies see, you could chase all
of us back to RedHat and we wouldn't want that :-)
Karl> Packages(.gz) etc are all updated and retrieved first during
Karl> a mirror because it's first on the list. As I said before,
Karl> we can't help it if mirror spits the dummy and exits due to
Karl> errors.
Right. At a minimum, Packages ought to be the *last* thing on the
list, and *old* packages should not be purged (the Debian naming
system guarantees they won't be overwritten, as far as I can see)
until Packages is updated. Yes, this leaves you with an old mirror
for a potentially long period of time, but at least it's consistent.
An option would be to add a "stable-in-process" distribution for
the adventurous. This would only appear at mirrors with relatively
low bandwidth and long transition periods.
Of course, both of these options require a lot more space of the
mirror :-(
Also, dselect should probably (optionally) recheck the dependencies
after getting the packages to make sure that the packages received
actually do satisfy the dependency tree.
dselect doesn't seem very smart about large numbers of packages; maybe
new users should be advised to do the installations incrementally. It
also would be helpful to add an outline feature (hiding/showing
contents below a header) to dselect. (Yeah, I know, I ought to put
this in a separate report, but I don't feel like wrestling with the
transmission lags to check the bug list.)
Thanks for your attention to these problems.
Stephen Turnbull
--
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University of Tsukuba http://turnbull.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp/
Tel: +81 (298) 53-5091; Fax: 55-3849 turnbull@sk.tsukuba.ac.jp
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retitle 18076 dinstall should remove old files from incoming/
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retitle 47912 priority of console-tools should be optional
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Package: dpkg
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I am using Debian 1.2, kernel version 2.0.27, and libc 5.4.13.
I observed the following problem of inconsistency between Packages and
the actual archive with a Debian mirror and reported it to the
mirrors. Since I think it is a bug in the package management system,
I am reporting it here. As I don't understand dpkg yet (I haven't
successfully installed the system, so don't really have access to docs
etc), I'm going to make some suggestions, but if they seem orthogonal
to common sense, they probably are.
I looked at titles to the bugs regarding dpkg, and didn't see anything
related. With my current bandwidth, actually reading all the reports
would take most of this week; sorry if I missed this one.
>>>>> At 11:44 AM 23/01/97 +0900, I wrote:
me> I have been having a lot of problems with installation from the
me> Debian Linux mirror at ftp.kreonet.re.kr.
me> The basic cause seems to be that the package list was mirrored
me> _before_ getting all the packages. Thus many of the files are
me> older than the version mentioned in the package list. In
me> particular, ftp.kreonet.re.kr claims to have libc_5.4.17-X.deb,
me> but only has libc_5.4.13-X.deb. Since many of the packages
me> already updated depend on having at least libc 5.4.17, dselect
me> goes crazy, and there are many errors in installation so dpkg
me> can't recover.
me> I suspect that this could be a problem at many overseas
me> mirrors, as bandwidth really stinks recently.
>>>>> "Karl" == Karl Ferguson responded:
Karl> Unfortuantely we can't do much about that. If files
Karl> time-out enough when mirroring and mirror decided to spit
Karl> the dummy and exit, then you'll end up having updated files
Karl> all over the place. It also depends on here the mirror is
Karl> mirroring from.
me> This really is a defect in the package management system. As
me> it is not possible to guarantee timely updates of a full
me> mirror, the package list should be generated on the fly at the
me> mirror.
Karl> Bugs with mirrors should be reported directly to the mirror
Karl> admins (as you see listed in the README.mirrors file) - it's
Karl> not really the mirrors responsability to have thir own
Karl> package maintenance system, if we demanded this then I doubt
Karl> we'd have any mirrors left at all - I'm a mirror myself, and
Karl> I wouldn't want that.
I agree with this; it seems to me that developing a script for
generating Packages rests with the dpkg maintenance team. Since you
presumably already have one, it should be possible to modify it for
use by mirrors. I recognize that this could potentially be annoying
because of various packages and versions of mirroring software, but
since dselect is the first thing us newbies see, you could chase all
of us back to RedHat and we wouldn't want that :-)
Karl> Packages(.gz) etc are all updated and retrieved first during
Karl> a mirror because it's first on the list. As I said before,
Karl> we can't help it if mirror spits the dummy and exits due to
Karl> errors.
Right. At a minimum, Packages ought to be the *last* thing on the
list, and *old* packages should not be purged (the Debian naming
system guarantees they won't be overwritten, as far as I can see)
until Packages is updated. Yes, this leaves you with an old mirror
for a potentially long period of time, but at least it's consistent.
An option would be to add a "stable-in-process" distribution for
the adventurous. This would only appear at mirrors with relatively
low bandwidth and long transition periods.
Of course, both of these options require a lot more space of the
mirror :-(
Also, dselect should probably (optionally) recheck the dependencies
after getting the packages to make sure that the packages received
actually do satisfy the dependency tree.
dselect doesn't seem very smart about large numbers of packages; maybe
new users should be advised to do the installations incrementally. It
also would be helpful to add an outline feature (hiding/showing
contents below a header) to dselect. (Yeah, I know, I ought to put
this in a separate report, but I don't feel like wrestling with the
transmission lags to check the bug list.)
Thanks for your attention to these problems.
Stephen Turnbull
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This is still a fairly frequent, and somewhat annoying, problem.
# date -u
Mon Apr 14 20:30:38 UTC 2003
# apt-get -u dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded
binutils castle-combat chkrootkit flex hpijs libgnutls5 librpm4 rpm samba-common smbclient symlinks w3m
12 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 8662kB of archives. After unpacking 549kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main binutils 2.13.90.0.18-1.7 [2026kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main binutils 2.13.90.0.18-1.7
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:2 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main flex 2.5.31-3 [342kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main flex 2.5.31-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:3 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main castle-combat 0.7.3-1 [1547kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main castle-combat 0.7.3-1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:4 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main chkrootkit 0.40-1 [184kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main chkrootkit 0.40-1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:5 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main hpijs 1.3.1-1 [136kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main hpijs 1.3.1-1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:6 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main libgnutls5 0.8.6-3 [182kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main libgnutls5 0.8.6-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:7 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main librpm4 4.0.4-20 [354kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main librpm4 4.0.4-20
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:8 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main rpm 4.0.4-20 [515kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main rpm 4.0.4-20
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:9 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main smbclient 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3 [1416kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main smbclient 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:10 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main samba-common 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3 [1284kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main samba-common 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:11 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main symlinks 1.2-4.1 [8064B]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main symlinks 1.2-4.1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:12 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main w3m 0.4.1-4 [668kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main w3m 0.4.1-4
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.13.90.0.18-1.7_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flex/flex_2.5.31-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/castle-combat/castle-combat_0.7.3-1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/chkrootkit/chkrootkit_0.40-1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hpijs/hpijs_1.3.1-1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnutls5/libgnutls5_0.8.6-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rpm/librpm4_4.0.4-20_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rpm/rpm_4.0.4-20_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/smbclient_2.999+3.0.alpha23-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/samba-common_2.999+3.0.alpha23-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/symlinks/symlinks_1.2-4.1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/w3m/w3m_0.4.1-4_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
Architecture: i386
Kernel: Linux meiner 2.4.20 #1 Mon Feb 3 22:42:48 CET 2003 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=de_DE@euro
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Subject: ftp.debian.org: Packages still to early
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Package: ftp.debian.org
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This is still a fairly frequent, and somewhat annoying, problem.
# date -u
Mon Apr 14 20:30:38 UTC 2003
# apt-get -u dist-upgrade
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Calculating Upgrade... Done
The following packages will be upgraded
binutils castle-combat chkrootkit flex hpijs libgnutls5 librpm4 rpm samba-common smbclient symlinks w3m
12 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 8662kB of archives. After unpacking 549kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main binutils 2.13.90.0.18-1.7 [2026kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main binutils 2.13.90.0.18-1.7
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:2 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main flex 2.5.31-3 [342kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main flex 2.5.31-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:3 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main castle-combat 0.7.3-1 [1547kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main castle-combat 0.7.3-1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:4 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main chkrootkit 0.40-1 [184kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main chkrootkit 0.40-1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:5 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main hpijs 1.3.1-1 [136kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main hpijs 1.3.1-1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:6 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main libgnutls5 0.8.6-3 [182kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main libgnutls5 0.8.6-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:7 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main librpm4 4.0.4-20 [354kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main librpm4 4.0.4-20
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:8 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main rpm 4.0.4-20 [515kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main rpm 4.0.4-20
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:9 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main smbclient 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3 [1416kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main smbclient 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:10 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main samba-common 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3 [1284kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main samba-common 2.999+3.0.alpha23-3
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:11 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main symlinks 1.2-4.1 [8064B]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main symlinks 1.2-4.1
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Get:12 ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main w3m 0.4.1-4 [668kB]
Err ftp://ftp.debian.org unstable/main w3m 0.4.1-4
Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/b/binutils/binutils_2.13.90.0.18-1.7_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/f/flex/flex_2.5.31-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/castle-combat/castle-combat_0.7.3-1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/c/chkrootkit/chkrootkit_0.40-1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/h/hpijs/hpijs_1.3.1-1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnutls5/libgnutls5_0.8.6-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rpm/librpm4_4.0.4-20_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/r/rpm/rpm_4.0.4-20_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/smbclient_2.999+3.0.alpha23-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/samba/samba-common_2.999+3.0.alpha23-3_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/s/symlinks/symlinks_1.2-4.1_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
Failed to fetch ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/w/w3m/w3m_0.4.1-4_i386.deb Unable to fetch file, server said 'Failed to open file. ' [IP: 208.185.25.38 21]
E: Unable to fetch some archives, maybe run apt-get update or try with --fix-missing?
-- System Information:
Debian Release: testing/unstable
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Kernel: Linux meiner 2.4.20 #1 Mon Feb 3 22:42:48 CET 2003 i686
Locale: LANG=C, LC_CTYPE=de_DE@euro
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Bug#6786; Package ftp.debian.org.
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Hello
Solution of this problem could be mirroring in two stages:
1. mirror pool without delete files
2. mirror whole area, deleting old files after fetching files
It is not hard to change mirror scripts to do it.
Pro:
- all files provided by Packages/Sources exists on mirror
Contra:
- it requires more space on mirror machine, for some minutes it needs
to store both (previous and new) version of upgraded packages.
I sent a Bcc to debian-mirrors, because mirror's administrators are
people who can mostly help to solve this problem. Let moderator
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if not interested.
If moderator decide to pass it to the list please take a look at:
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Solution of this problem could be mirroring in two stages:
1. mirror pool without delete files
2. mirror whole area, deleting old files after fetching files
It is not hard to change mirror scripts to do it.
Pro:
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I sent a Bcc to debian-mirrors, because mirror's administrators are
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if not interested.
If moderator decide to pass it to the list please take a look at:
http://bugs.debian.org/6786 to more information about this problem.
If you want to submit any additional information about this bug
please address (or Cc) it to 6786@bugs.debian.org.
Regards
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On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 02:39:52AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> severity 217957 critical
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> merge 6786 217957
> # critical: breaks Debian package system worldwide several hours a day.
> # How to fix: Packages files should get to mirrors last.
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On Sat, Sep 11, 2004 at 02:39:52AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> severity 217957 critical
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> merge 6786 217957
> # critical: breaks Debian package system worldwide several hours a day.
> # How to fix: Packages files should get to mirrors last.
critical
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I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to
apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files
arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have
fully arrived.
"Haw haw haw, try again later", you say, never thinking that maybe
writing the Packages files last would be the right thing to do.
"The problem can't persist more then a couple of hours, what's the big
deal?"
Well, the connection to mirror-upstream broke mid-mirror-push this
time during Chinese New Years. Perhaps 10 days before the system
administrator will be back in the office to see what happened.
"Haw haw haw, try another mirror. Haw haw haw."
The other local mirrors have the same problem, and their system admins are
also on vacation. Foreign mirrors are on slow links.
So not fixing bug 6786 (just write the $#@% Packages file after
writing the packages) causes users' apt-get upgrades to fail
needlessly... down for 10 days. Great.
The Debian whippersnappers don't see the danger of needlessly leaving
mirrors in a broken state "for only a couple of hours a day, what's
the big deal" ... well if the mirror mechanism breaks during this
broken state, then "couple of hours" becomes indefinitely.
I can't think of any other case in Computer Science where one updates
a descriptor before updating the thing described!!! How can you defend
that??? No smug remarks can defend that!
"Never bothered me", yeah well wait until you are giving your next
apt-get upgrade demonstration and now it's too late, you did
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade instead of
apt-get upgrade && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
and now you have to tell the class to "wait a couple of hours" until
you can show them anything.
Yeah I know, "the more I complain, the more it's not going to get
done."
OK, can somebody send me the section of code so I can fix it then?
Err http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx sid/main xxxxxxxxxxxx 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
Fetched 26.6MB in 2m39s (167kB/s)
E: Some files failed to download
Error 100
P.S., "a couple hours" is for your fancy mirror's connections.
Some mirrors far away might be in the broken state (Packages* arrived,
not all packages arrived) for half a day each day!
Acknowledgement sent to Dan Jacobson <jidanni@jidanni.org>:
Extra info received and forwarded to list. Copy sent to Josip Rodin and others <mirrors@debian.org>.
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I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to
apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files
arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have
fully arrived.
"Haw haw haw, try again later", you say, never thinking that maybe
writing the Packages files last would be the right thing to do.
"The problem can't persist more then a couple of hours, what's the big
deal?"
Well, the connection to mirror-upstream broke mid-mirror-push this
time during Chinese New Years. Perhaps 10 days before the system
administrator will be back in the office to see what happened.
"Haw haw haw, try another mirror. Haw haw haw."
The other local mirrors have the same problem, and their system admins are
also on vacation. Foreign mirrors are on slow links.
So not fixing bug 6786 (just write the $#@% Packages file after
writing the packages) causes users' apt-get upgrades to fail
needlessly... down for 10 days. Great.
The Debian whippersnappers don't see the danger of needlessly leaving
mirrors in a broken state "for only a couple of hours a day, what's
the big deal" ... well if the mirror mechanism breaks during this
broken state, then "couple of hours" becomes indefinitely.
I can't think of any other case in Computer Science where one updates
a descriptor before updating the thing described!!! How can you defend
that??? No smug remarks can defend that!
"Never bothered me", yeah well wait until you are giving your next
apt-get upgrade demonstration and now it's too late, you did
apt-get update && apt-get upgrade instead of
apt-get upgrade && apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
and now you have to tell the class to "wait a couple of hours" until
you can show them anything.
Yeah I know, "the more I complain, the more it's not going to get
done."
OK, can somebody send me the section of code so I can fix it then?
Err http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx sid/main xxxxxxxxxxxx 404 Not Found
Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
Fetched 26.6MB in 2m39s (167kB/s)
E: Some files failed to download
Error 100
P.S., "a couple hours" is for your fancy mirror's connections.
Some mirrors far away might be in the broken state (Packages* arrived,
not all packages arrived) for half a day each day!
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Hi Dan,
On Wednesday, 09 Feb 2005, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to
> apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files
> arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have
> fully arrived.
see http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2005/01/msg00199.html
Greetings
Martin
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Hi Dan,
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> fully arrived.
see http://lists.debian.org/debian-www/2005/01/msg00199.html
Greetings
Martin
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:51:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to
> apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files
> arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have
> fully arrived.
> "Haw haw haw, try again later", you say, never thinking that maybe
> writing the Packages files last would be the right thing to do.
> "The problem can't persist more then a couple of hours, what's the big
> deal?"
You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the mirroring
implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the mirror
team and give them enough information to track this down, or -- since you
know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacation schedule --
talk to your local mirror operator directly and get him to stop using broken
mirroring scripts.
> I can't think of any other case in Computer Science where one updates
> a descriptor before updating the thing described!!! How can you defend
> that??? No smug remarks can defend that!
And no amount of moronic, misdirected ranting will get it fixed.
> Err http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx sid/main xxxxxxxxxxxx 404 Not Found
> Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
> Fetched 26.6MB in 2m39s (167kB/s)
> E: Some files failed to download
> Error 100
Yeah, real helpful of you to blot out the only potentially useful bit of
information in your post...
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On Wed, Feb 09, 2005 at 09:51:44AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> I know you Debian people think it's just hilarious when users try to
> apt-get upgrade during the period after when the Packages files
> arrive on the mirrors, but before the packages they describe have
> fully arrived.
> "Haw haw haw, try again later", you say, never thinking that maybe
> writing the Packages files last would be the right thing to do.
> "The problem can't persist more then a couple of hours, what's the big
> deal?"
You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the mirroring
implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the mirror
team and give them enough information to track this down, or -- since you
know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacation schedule --
talk to your local mirror operator directly and get him to stop using broken
mirroring scripts.
> I can't think of any other case in Computer Science where one updates
> a descriptor before updating the thing described!!! How can you defend
> that??? No smug remarks can defend that!
And no amount of moronic, misdirected ranting will get it fixed.
> Err http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx sid/main xxxxxxxxxxxx 404 Not Found
> Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
> Fetched 26.6MB in 2m39s (167kB/s)
> E: Some files failed to download
> Error 100
Yeah, real helpful of you to blot out the only potentially useful bit of
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S> You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the mirroring
S> implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the mirror
S> team and give them enough information to track this down, or -- since you
S> know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacation schedule --
S> talk to your local mirror operator directly and get him to stop using broken
S> mirroring scripts.
I'm saying that bug 6786 has the potential to turn the current perhaps
two hour per day down time for apt-get, aptitude, etc. into a several
day long down time.
D> > Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
S> Yeah, real helpful of you to blot out the only potentially useful bit of
S> information in your post...
No. The root of the problem is bug 6786. Indeed if 6786 were fixed,
the mirror process could break at any time and users could still
apt-get upgrade with yesterdays state instead of not being to apt-get
upgrade at all (if the mirror process happen to break during the 2
hour dark period each day.) Indeed, no 2 hour dark period necessary too.
Please double check 6786 to see if it is merely a local problem.
Would you close it?
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S> know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacation schedule --
S> talk to your local mirror operator directly and get him to stop using broken
S> mirroring scripts.
I'm saying that bug 6786 has the potential to turn the current perhaps
two hour per day down time for apt-get, aptitude, etc. into a several
day long down time.
D> > Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
S> Yeah, real helpful of you to blot out the only potentially useful bit of
S> information in your post...
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the mirror process could break at any time and users could still
apt-get upgrade with yesterdays state instead of not being to apt-get
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:10PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> S> You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the mirroring
> S> implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the mirror
> S> team and give them enough information to track this down, or -- since you
> S> know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacation schedule --
> S> talk to your local mirror operator directly and get him to stop using broken
> S> mirroring scripts.
>
> I'm saying that bug 6786 has the potential to turn the current perhaps
> two hour per day down time for apt-get, aptitude, etc. into a several
> day long down time.
How mirrors do their mirroring is up to the local mirror administrator,
not to the general debian developer's community. Debian could promote
this two-phase mirroring a bit more maybe, and/or provide nice scripts,
that's probably why #6786 is still open.
BUT DEBIAN CANNOT IN ANY WAY FORCE/CONTROL HOW MIRRORS OPERATE,
especially not the secundary mirrors.
> D> > Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
>
> S> Yeah, real helpful of you to blot out the only potentially useful bit of
> S> information in your post...
>
> No. The root of the problem is bug 6786. Indeed if 6786 were fixed,
#6786 doesn't need to be fixed for this, the mirror admin of
xxxxxx.linux.org.xx just needs to implement two-phase mirroring,
something that anyone with a bit shell/rsync foo can implement on
his/her own, and ttbomk, already a lot of mirrors actually _do_.
As numerous people have told you before, bugger your local mirror admin,
especially since he seems to have slow bandwidth and therefore the 'dark
period' takes long.
--Jeroen
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On Tue, Feb 15, 2005 at 11:51:10PM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> S> You've been told this before -- *debian-devel does not control the mirroring
> S> implementation used by arbitrary Debian mirrors*. Either talk to the mirror
> S> team and give them enough information to track this down, or -- since you
> S> know him well enough to be kept in the loop about his vacation schedule --
> S> talk to your local mirror operator directly and get him to stop using broken
> S> mirroring scripts.
>
> I'm saying that bug 6786 has the potential to turn the current perhaps
> two hour per day down time for apt-get, aptitude, etc. into a several
> day long down time.
How mirrors do their mirroring is up to the local mirror administrator,
not to the general debian developer's community. Debian could promote
this two-phase mirroring a bit more maybe, and/or provide nice scripts,
that's probably why #6786 is still open.
BUT DEBIAN CANNOT IN ANY WAY FORCE/CONTROL HOW MIRRORS OPERATE,
especially not the secundary mirrors.
> D> > Failed to fetch http://xxxxxx.linux.org.xx/debian/pool/main/xxxxx
>
> S> Yeah, real helpful of you to blot out the only potentially useful bit of
> S> information in your post...
>
> No. The root of the problem is bug 6786. Indeed if 6786 were fixed,
#6786 doesn't need to be fixed for this, the mirror admin of
xxxxxx.linux.org.xx just needs to implement two-phase mirroring,
something that anyone with a bit shell/rsync foo can implement on
his/her own, and ttbomk, already a lot of mirrors actually _do_.
As numerous people have told you before, bugger your local mirror admin,
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--Jeroen
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Jeroen> Debian could promote this two-phase mirroring a bit more
Jeroen> maybe, and/or provide nice scripts, that's probably why #6786
Jeroen> is still open.
I suppose Debian is promoting one-phase mirroring and two phase
mirroring is "roll your own".
If you want me to tell my administrator to do something, I need
something succinct, like "apt-get install two-phase-mirroring".
Jeroen> #6786 doesn't need to be fixed for this, the mirror admin of
Jeroen> xxxxxx.linux.org.xx just needs to implement two-phase mirroring,
Jeroen> something that anyone with a bit shell/rsync foo can implement on
Jeroen> his/her own, and ttbomk, already a lot of mirrors actually _do_.
If this two-phase-mirroring is the way to go, then there ought to be a
standard package to do it. How can there be 10000+ packages but no
package to make sure the 10000+ packages get mirrored properly?
Any approved recommended debugged method would certainly have its own
package, where the administrator would merely enter some configuration
parameters in some /etc file.
Does http://www.debian.org/mirror/ at least have the
two-phase-mirroring script?
Is there any official documentation?
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Jeroen> Debian could promote this two-phase mirroring a bit more
Jeroen> maybe, and/or provide nice scripts, that's probably why #6786
Jeroen> is still open.
I suppose Debian is promoting one-phase mirroring and two phase
mirroring is "roll your own".
If you want me to tell my administrator to do something, I need
something succinct, like "apt-get install two-phase-mirroring".
Jeroen> #6786 doesn't need to be fixed for this, the mirror admin of
Jeroen> xxxxxx.linux.org.xx just needs to implement two-phase mirroring,
Jeroen> something that anyone with a bit shell/rsync foo can implement on
Jeroen> his/her own, and ttbomk, already a lot of mirrors actually _do_.
If this two-phase-mirroring is the way to go, then there ought to be a
standard package to do it. How can there be 10000+ packages but no
package to make sure the 10000+ packages get mirrored properly?
Any approved recommended debugged method would certainly have its own
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parameters in some /etc file.
Does http://www.debian.org/mirror/ at least have the
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Is there any official documentation?
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Dan Jacobson schrieb:
> Does http://www.debian.org/mirror/ at least have the
> two-phase-mirroring script?
Why don't you go and look? And if you find the information too sparse,
submit a bug report with a patch?
Regards, Frank
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