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Bug#7111; Package tkined.
debian-bugs-dist@lists.debian.orgDavid Engel
Subject: Bug#7111: tkined omnibus
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From: Raul Miller
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Package: tkined
Version: 1.3.4-2
tkined is neat, but it's got lots of quirks and sometimes feels
clumsy.
What I'd like to be able to do with it is hand it a list of network
addresses, and have it go out and poll those networks and come back
with the topology of the network, with emphasis on the network
devices, and icons assigned based on some kind of signatures
(e.g. windows machines tend to only respond on port 139, snmp will
sometimes give you system information, sunrpc sometimes is useful..).
tkined is tantalizing, but has a long way to go before it can tackle
this kind of thing.
Perhaps the best option would be some kind of documented mechanism for
importing a database, with some well defined tables, and using tkined
only as presentation software. Then, I would go in with scotty, and
maybe tools I've written myself, build up the database over a period
of days and use tkined to take snapshots of this.
(1) it will sometimes put graphics "off the page", but won't let you
scroll to see them (or even select them). I'd prefer if the page
boundaries were advisory (something like the way an expanded group is
displayed, but maybe different line weight or color?).
(2) it misses opportunities for information. For example, I'd like to
be able to have it automatically color nodes that have erroroneous
behavior (e.g. byte swapped ports).
(3) it occasionally spits stack traces out at me. [I'll try to file
these as I come across them.]
(4) it sometimes creates duplicate representations for the same ip
address or network, and I don't understand why.
(5) it doesn't have a way of representing subnets smaller than class
C. [Or, presumably, larger than class C but not class A or B -- then
again, I don't have any way of testing that out.]
(6) it doesn't have any way (other than slow manual work) of
integrating information from snmp (e.g. which ip addresses does a
cisco router use, what type of network is on each, what does arp
indicate about brand of network device, ...). It would be nice to (a)
have a way of automatically propagating this information into
attributes, and (b) have a mechanism to automatically set icon details
based on attributes.
(7) choice icons are very limited, and no obvious way of extending
them.
(8) nested groups are kind of nice but extremely quirky. [You can put
a group inside another group, but under some circumstances the
contents of the groups will be tossed out of the original group -- I
just had a bunch of networks tossed out of a three level deep
hierarchy I'd built to represent a router.]
(9) snmp queries against a number of systems will frequently give up
if there's a few that aren't responding in the current community.
(10) selection by address sometimes gets the wrong node (especially
with patterns).
(11) TCP Services under IP-Trouble tends to hang for a long period of
time under not-uncommon circumstances (e.g. some ports behind packet
filter).
(12) The IP-Layout parameters are overly optimistic about the minimum
number of nodes in a row (10). Why can't I set this lower?
(13) IP-Discover's text view tells me about querying snmp agents, but
there's no apparent way of getting at these specific machines for
further interaction (see also #6, and #9).
(14) There's no way to set the default icon for IP-Discover (this is
basically an ultra simplified variant on #6).
(15) There's no display abstraction for a machine with multiple ip
addresses. For example, if I use "groups", I wind up with a bunch of
disconnected networks.
--
Raul
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New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to David Engel <david@ods.com>.
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From: Raul Miller
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Subject: tkined omnibus
Package: tkined
Version: 1.3.4-2
tkined is neat, but it's got lots of quirks and sometimes feels
clumsy.
What I'd like to be able to do with it is hand it a list of network
addresses, and have it go out and poll those networks and come back
with the topology of the network, with emphasis on the network
devices, and icons assigned based on some kind of signatures
(e.g. windows machines tend to only respond on port 139, snmp will
sometimes give you system information, sunrpc sometimes is useful..).
tkined is tantalizing, but has a long way to go before it can tackle
this kind of thing.
Perhaps the best option would be some kind of documented mechanism for
importing a database, with some well defined tables, and using tkined
only as presentation software. Then, I would go in with scotty, and
maybe tools I've written myself, build up the database over a period
of days and use tkined to take snapshots of this.
(1) it will sometimes put graphics "off the page", but won't let you
scroll to see them (or even select them). I'd prefer if the page
boundaries were advisory (something like the way an expanded group is
displayed, but maybe different line weight or color?).
(2) it misses opportunities for information. For example, I'd like to
be able to have it automatically color nodes that have erroroneous
behavior (e.g. byte swapped ports).
(3) it occasionally spits stack traces out at me. [I'll try to file
these as I come across them.]
(4) it sometimes creates duplicate representations for the same ip
address or network, and I don't understand why.
(5) it doesn't have a way of representing subnets smaller than class
C. [Or, presumably, larger than class C but not class A or B -- then
again, I don't have any way of testing that out.]
(6) it doesn't have any way (other than slow manual work) of
integrating information from snmp (e.g. which ip addresses does a
cisco router use, what type of network is on each, what does arp
indicate about brand of network device, ...). It would be nice to (a)
have a way of automatically propagating this information into
attributes, and (b) have a mechanism to automatically set icon details
based on attributes.
(7) choice icons are very limited, and no obvious way of extending
them.
(8) nested groups are kind of nice but extremely quirky. [You can put
a group inside another group, but under some circumstances the
contents of the groups will be tossed out of the original group -- I
just had a bunch of networks tossed out of a three level deep
hierarchy I'd built to represent a router.]
(9) snmp queries against a number of systems will frequently give up
if there's a few that aren't responding in the current community.
(10) selection by address sometimes gets the wrong node (especially
with patterns).
(11) TCP Services under IP-Trouble tends to hang for a long period of
time under not-uncommon circumstances (e.g. some ports behind packet
filter).
(12) The IP-Layout parameters are overly optimistic about the minimum
number of nodes in a row (10). Why can't I set this lower?
(13) IP-Discover's text view tells me about querying snmp agents, but
there's no apparent way of getting at these specific machines for
further interaction (see also #6, and #9).
(14) There's no way to set the default icon for IP-Discover (this is
basically an ultra simplified variant on #6).
(15) There's no display abstraction for a machine with multiple ip
addresses. For example, if I use "groups", I wind up with a bunch of
disconnected networks.
--
Raul
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Subject: tkined omnibus
Package: tkined
Version: 1.3.4-2
tkined is neat, but it's got lots of quirks and sometimes feels
clumsy.
What I'd like to be able to do with it is hand it a list of network
addresses, and have it go out and poll those networks and come back
with the topology of the network, with emphasis on the network
devices, and icons assigned based on some kind of signatures
(e.g. windows machines tend to only respond on port 139, snmp will
sometimes give you system information, sunrpc sometimes is useful..).
tkined is tantalizing, but has a long way to go before it can tackle
this kind of thing.
Perhaps the best option would be some kind of documented mechanism for
importing a database, with some well defined tables, and using tkined
only as presentation software. Then, I would go in with scotty, and
maybe tools I've written myself, build up the database over a period
of days and use tkined to take snapshots of this.
(1) it will sometimes put graphics "off the page", but won't let you
scroll to see them (or even select them). I'd prefer if the page
boundaries were advisory (something like the way an expanded group is
displayed, but maybe different line weight or color?).
(2) it misses opportunities for information. For example, I'd like to
be able to have it automatically color nodes that have erroroneous
behavior (e.g. byte swapped ports).
(3) it occasionally spits stack traces out at me. [I'll try to file
these as I come across them.]
(4) it sometimes creates duplicate representations for the same ip
address or network, and I don't understand why.
(5) it doesn't have a way of representing subnets smaller than class
C. [Or, presumably, larger than class C but not class A or B -- then
again, I don't have any way of testing that out.]
(6) it doesn't have any way (other than slow manual work) of
integrating information from snmp (e.g. which ip addresses does a
cisco router use, what type of network is on each, what does arp
indicate about brand of network device, ...). It would be nice to (a)
have a way of automatically propagating this information into
attributes, and (b) have a mechanism to automatically set icon details
based on attributes.
(7) choice icons are very limited, and no obvious way of extending
them.
(8) nested groups are kind of nice but extremely quirky. [You can put
a group inside another group, but under some circumstances the
contents of the groups will be tossed out of the original group -- I
just had a bunch of networks tossed out of a three level deep
hierarchy I'd built to represent a router.]
(9) snmp queries against a number of systems will frequently give up
if there's a few that aren't responding in the current community.
(10) selection by address sometimes gets the wrong node (especially
with patterns).
(11) TCP Services under IP-Trouble tends to hang for a long period of
time under not-uncommon circumstances (e.g. some ports behind packet
filter).
(12) The IP-Layout parameters are overly optimistic about the minimum
number of nodes in a row (10). Why can't I set this lower?
(13) IP-Discover's text view tells me about querying snmp agents, but
there's no apparent way of getting at these specific machines for
further interaction (see also #6, and #9).
(14) There's no way to set the default icon for IP-Discover (this is
basically an ultra simplified variant on #6).
(15) There's no display abstraction for a machine with multiple ip
addresses. For example, if I use "groups", I wind up with a bunch of
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From: Raul Miller
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Subject: tkined omnibus
Package: tkined
Version: 1.3.4-2
tkined is neat, but it's got lots of quirks and sometimes feels
clumsy.
What I'd like to be able to do with it is hand it a list of network
addresses, and have it go out and poll those networks and come back
with the topology of the network, with emphasis on the network
devices, and icons assigned based on some kind of signatures
(e.g. windows machines tend to only respond on port 139, snmp will
sometimes give you system information, sunrpc sometimes is useful..).
tkined is tantalizing, but has a long way to go before it can tackle
this kind of thing.
Perhaps the best option would be some kind of documented mechanism for
importing a database, with some well defined tables, and using tkined
only as presentation software. Then, I would go in with scotty, and
maybe tools I've written myself, build up the database over a period
of days and use tkined to take snapshots of this.
(1) it will sometimes put graphics "off the page", but won't let you
scroll to see them (or even select them). I'd prefer if the page
boundaries were advisory (something like the way an expanded group is
displayed, but maybe different line weight or color?).
(2) it misses opportunities for information. For example, I'd like to
be able to have it automatically color nodes that have erroroneous
behavior (e.g. byte swapped ports).
(3) it occasionally spits stack traces out at me. [I'll try to file
these as I come across them.]
(4) it sometimes creates duplicate representations for the same ip
address or network, and I don't understand why.
(5) it doesn't have a way of representing subnets smaller than class
C. [Or, presumably, larger than class C but not class A or B -- then
again, I don't have any way of testing that out.]
(6) it doesn't have any way (other than slow manual work) of
integrating information from snmp (e.g. which ip addresses does a
cisco router use, what type of network is on each, what does arp
indicate about brand of network device, ...). It would be nice to (a)
have a way of automatically propagating this information into
attributes, and (b) have a mechanism to automatically set icon details
based on attributes.
(7) choice icons are very limited, and no obvious way of extending
them.
(8) nested groups are kind of nice but extremely quirky. [You can put
a group inside another group, but under some circumstances the
contents of the groups will be tossed out of the original group -- I
just had a bunch of networks tossed out of a three level deep
hierarchy I'd built to represent a router.]
(9) snmp queries against a number of systems will frequently give up
if there's a few that aren't responding in the current community.
(10) selection by address sometimes gets the wrong node (especially
with patterns).
(11) TCP Services under IP-Trouble tends to hang for a long period of
time under not-uncommon circumstances (e.g. some ports behind packet
filter).
(12) The IP-Layout parameters are overly optimistic about the minimum
number of nodes in a row (10). Why can't I set this lower?
(13) IP-Discover's text view tells me about querying snmp agents, but
there's no apparent way of getting at these specific machines for
further interaction (see also #6, and #9).
(14) There's no way to set the default icon for IP-Discover (this is
basically an ultra simplified variant on #6).
(15) There's no display abstraction for a machine with multiple ip
addresses. For example, if I use "groups", I wind up with a bunch of
disconnected networks.
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